Fair/Foul Two Man Crew Situation (From a Dad)

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by GA Umpire

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I don't know. Maybe this is why. How should I have handled this I think this conversation has been gone through before and nothing good came from it as you can see.

UIC, assignor, or whatever you want to call them. They are the ones to inform so they can inform their umpires. Do not approach an umpire with a rule book in hand even if the game is over. Nothing good may come of it. And, instead of testing to see if this may be the exception, handle it the same way every time and nothing like what happened in the other thread will happen.

Leave to the umpire's assignor(or whoever is in charge) to inform them. Not just some Joe Blow off the street who the umpire has no clue about. B/c that person may not have any clue of what they are talking about. And, like it or not, even if the game is over, approaching the umpire with a rule book is trying to show him up. Only difference now is he can't kick your a$$ out of the game and send you home packing. That is just cowardice at best. Leave it to a Rat(and this applies to anyone trying this same tactic whether it is a parent/player/coach/umpire) to do that.

Well, first off, I'm no Joe Blow off the street, I am a well-known and long-time respected umpire, and when I give advice to rooks who don't know hay from horse manure, they usually thank me for setting them straight. I don't know as much about umpiring as my assignor, since he has about 60 years of umpiring experience to my 20+, but I'll wager I know at least as much as the majority of assignors out there. I wasn't talking about some yokel off the street, I was talking about a brother umpire clueing in a misguided arbiter.

Secondly, if a coach approaches in a manner that is not confrontational, he could perhaps suggest that the umpire missed a rule, then ask the umpire to pull out his rule book just to double check. I would welcome such a challenge from a coach. I've never had one that knew a rule and I didn't. Lucky I guess.

[GA Umpire]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Well, first off, I'm no Joe Blow off the street, I am a well-known and long-time respected umpire, and when I give advice to rooks who don't know hay from horse manure, they usually thank me for setting them straight. I don't know as much about umpiring as my assignor, since he has about 60 years of umpiring experience to my 20+, but I'll wager I know at least as much as the majority of assignors out there. I wasn't talking about some yokel off the street, I was talking about a brother umpire clueing in a misguided arbiter.

Secondly, if a coach approaches in a manner that is not confrontational, he could perhaps suggest that the umpire missed a rule, then ask the umpire to pull out his rule book just to double check. I would welcome such a challenge from a coach. I've never had one that knew a rule and I didn't. Lucky I guess.

To me, you are some Joe Blow. And, as I said, if the umpire doesn't know you are an umpire, then leave them alone. The last thing any umpire wants to hear is "I have been umpiring X years" b/c Rats will try anything.

Second, Rats will try not to be confrontational until they don't get their way. All do it, even the pros. So, none of this means a thing. Just look at how the one acted in the other thread. He started nice until he didn't get his way.

It's funny how so many will jump on a Rat they don't know is an umpire. But, let one of the supposed umpires pull the same thing as a Rat, and so many on this forum will agree. That is amazing to me. I wonder if those like that are that inconsistent on the field. Possibly. Hmmm. Flip flop on this forum, I wonder if they flip flop on the field with their calls. Hmmmm.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Well, first off, I'm no Joe Blow off the street, I am a well-known and long-time respected umpire,

If you look closely at the bolded type, you will see that I told you I was well-known. This means that the other umpires in my association know who I am. When we attend meetings (sometimes weekly, but normally bi-weekly), everybody gets to know everyone else. I wouldn't go up to someone I had never met and start telling them anything, but on the other hand, I don't have a problem with someone coming to me after a game in a respectful manner. It's all in how you approach someone.

[GA Umpire]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

If you look closely at the bolded type, you will see that I told you I was well-known. This means that the other umpires in my association know who I am. When we attend meetings (sometimes weekly, but normally bi-weekly), everybody gets to know everyone else. I wouldn't go up to someone I had never met and start telling them anything, but on the other hand, I don't have a problem with someone coming to me after a game in a respectful manner. It's all in how you approach someone.

Forget it. You missed the point of the other posts and how the other thread went from non-confrontational to confrontational in no time. Forget it. The points are lost on you.

[SanDiegoSteve]

They are not lost on me, trust me. I just have a very different opinion than yours. Or am I supposed to just nod my head and agree with everything you say?

[GA Umpire]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

They are not lost on me, trust me. I just have a very different opinion than yours. Or am I supposed to just nod my head and agree with everything you say?

No. But, you keep relating this to the umpires YOU KNOW. There may be a time when you will encounter an umpire you don't know. And, I suspect you will not approach him the same way you would approach one you do know. Either you won't approach him at all or you will walk on pins and needles while trying to address anything of the job he did during the game.

I doubt you would approach him as an umpire who knows what he is talking about b/c he may just tell you to get lost. Just like the ones in the other thread did. They didn't know him and he tried to come off as someone who knew they were wrong. So, they basically told him where he can go. And, nothing good came of it.

That is all I am saying. Rats(coaches/players/parent/umpires who this umpire does NOT know) should not approach the umpire before/during/after the game with a rule book or acting as someone who knows that umpire is wrong before/after the game. If something was wrong, let their assignor/UIC know and handle the situation. Not someone else who has no business being involved in that umpire's game. If you are filling in for the assignor or something, then you have business to be involved in that game. If not, then you don't. That is all I am saying and this would apply more to umpires not in your association and to coaches/parents/players.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

I wouldn't go up to someone I had never met and start telling them anything, but on the other hand, I don't have a problem with someone coming to me after a game in a respectful manner. It's all in how you approach someone.

I also believe I had just got done telling you this, which said that I wouldn't go to someone I didn't know, but that I didn't have a problem with someone approaching me (fan, coach, parent, etc.) in a respectful manner. So, I agree that an umpire should not approach an umpire that he does not know.