Fair/Foul Two Man Crew Situation (From a Dad)

[GA Umpire]

Originally Posted by SAump

I see you have experience with this type of circus. Each side spouting off particular events as they see fit. Each side making up a version of reality to support their desired position. Neither side listening to the other.

Best to let it go on or to avoid it at all costs? I hear what your saying.

From experience, No. But, from others and as you can how the one in the other thread was, then you can see why it should not be done.

But, if you want to allow it, then go ahead. But, when it blows up in your face and causes a bigger problem than just stopping it in the beginning, then oh well.

My suggestion is for those who are not known to be an umpire to that umpire, should not try to bother the umpire after the game is over. The game is over so let it go. If they want results, go to the umpire's assignor(or whatever the person is called in your area), and let them deal with it. It will be less confrontational and probably get better results. Not let it go on but do it in a more professional, courteous manner(and this applies to umpires especially). Better results come from that approach. A Rat trying to do it in the heat of the moment may not get any results expected.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by GA Umpire

If they want results, go to the umpire's assignor(or whatever the person is called in your area), and let them deal with it. It will be less confrontational and probably get better results. Not let it go on but do it in a more professional, courteous manner(and this applies to umpires especially).

And this differs from what I said how? Didn't I say to approach the umpire in a professional manner? What if I am the assignor? I have worked closely with my assignor and have assigned games with my assignor on a bi-weekly basis for many years. Does this qualify me? I have been asked for my input as to what level I thought a certain umpire should be working. Is this close enough? I have been assigned to evaluate umpires BY my assignor. He has asked me to go see how so-and-so works, and I've also been assigned with certain umpires to evaluate them as well. And if one of those umpires gets a rule wrong, and I catch the error, I am going to say something about it so it doesn't happen again.

[GA Umpire]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

And this differs from what I said how? Didn't I say to approach the umpire in a professional manner? What if I am the assignor? I have worked closely with my assignor and have assigned games with my assignor on a bi-weekly basis for many years. Does this qualify me? I have been asked for my input as to what level I thought a certain umpire should be working. Is this close enough? I have been assigned to evaluate umpires BY my assignor. He has asked me to go see how so-and-so works, and I've also been assigned with certain umpires to evaluate them as well. And if one of those umpires gets a rule wrong, and I catch the error, I am going to say something about it so it doesn't happen again.

You're missing the point. The point you keep bringing up is the umpires KNOW you. If you approached me, I do NOT KNOW you. That is the difference.

If you approach me, I don't know you are an umpire until I have called on the field with you or I see you on the field umpiring. That is the difference between Rat Joe Blow coming to the umpire or his fellow umpire or assignor which the umpire KNOWS. See the difference?

A Rat(which applies to anyone approaching the umpire which he doesn't know is an umpire/assignor) should not be trying to do anything before/during/after the game. Get outside of your little area and think of the bigger picture. If the umpire does NOT KNOW you, then you shouldn't be approaching them after the game. Tell the one who he does know and let them approach him. Or, suffer the same treatment as the "supposed" umpire in the other thread. Those umpires didn't know he umpires and treated him as such. That is the risk a Rat takes.

Do it courteously and professionally by informing the umpire if he KNOWS you're an umpire or if he does NOT KNOW you're an umpire, let his assignor take care of it after they have been informed.