Obstruction ignored?

[Ump Rube]

I think what Bob is saying is that if you feel a B/R need be awarded 2B on the play and R2 is there already, you can award him 3B to "open" up that base to award the B/R 2B.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Ump Rube

I think what Bob is saying is that if you feel a B/R need be awarded 2B on the play and R2 is there already, you can award him 3B to "open" up that base to award the B/R 2B.

That's two chicken dinners!!! Now knock that off!!!

[Ump Rube]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

That's two chicken dinners!!! Now knock that off!!!

I would be careful if I was you. If you have read one of my other threads Umpire Shirts (like I would ask about another kind) you could tell that I tend to like chicken dinners. (any type of dinner works well with me though really)

[Paul L]

Originally Posted by Ump Rube

I think what Bob is saying is that if you feel a B/R need be awarded 2B on the play and R2 is there already, you can award him 3B to "open" up that base to award the B/R 2B.

That's where I'm confused. How can I think an obstructed BR would have attained second base when a preceding unobstructed runner is camped out there?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Paul L

That's where I'm confused. How can I think an obstructed BR would have attained second base when a preceding unobstructed runner is camped out there?

R1. Batter hits a "sure double." He doesn't see R1 returning to second in the belief that R2 missed the base. F3 obstructs BR as BR rounds first.

Put BR on second and advance R1 to third.

[FTVMartin]

Award is minimum of one base. Technically (maybe if the contact with F3 is really big and knocks the runner down to the point where it can't be ignored) you could force the runner from second to third in order to award the base to the B/R. I would be hesitant to do so but maybe in that situation I might.

[johnnyg08]

FED OBS, while similar to OBR Type B, has a one base award beyond what they've already achieved attached to it. Am I interpreting that correctly?

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by FTVMartin

Award is minimum of one base. Technically (maybe if the contact with F3 is really big and knocks the runner down to the point where it can't be ignored) you could force the runner from second to third in order to award the base to the B/R. I would be hesitant to do so but maybe in that situation I might.

Here is a good example (at least in my mind)(I am going to steal Bob's situation) where you would HAVE to force R2 to third:

R1. Batter hits a "sure double." He doesn't see R1 returning to second in the belief that R2 missed the base. B/R turns around to return to first and runs into F3 who was trailing B/R on a designed defensive play. The ball is thrown to F3 who tags out the fallen B/R. We have obstruction. Put B/R on second and advance R1 to third.

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

FED OBS, while similar to OBR Type B, has a one base award beyond what they've already achieved attached to it. Am I interpreting that correctly?

Yes (in FED! I cannot speak for OBS)!

-Josh

[johnnyg08]

Type B in OBR doesn't necessarily guarantee another base. That's the huge difference in FED...if you have OBS in FED, we have to use a bit more discretion in calling OBS because it's a mandatory award of another base even if the runner had no chance, desire to advance another base. Example R2 slightly rounds 2B and simply looks at F7 to see if he's got the ball. F6 impedes him...technically OBS...but is it right to give him 3B? I don't think so.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

FED OBS, while similar to OBR Type B, has a one base award beyond what they've already achieved attached to it. Am I interpreting that correctly?

FED obstruction is Type B in OBR. The difference in FED is that when you call obstruction in FED, you will award at least 1 base in the forward direction (the part I hate). Example: R1 dives back to 1st on a pickoff and is obstructed by F3. In FED, R1 must go to 2nd base - there is no choice or question (now you know why I said I hate this).

[johnnyg08]

it's not exactly type B OBR as you're stating. you nicely described the difference. I think we agree.

[johnnyg08]

However, wouldn't the scenario you're describing above be Type A, since a play is being made on R1 diving back to the base?

[Bishopcolle]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

FED obstruction is Type B in OBR. The difference in FED is that when you call obstruction in FED, you will award at least 1 base in the forward direction (the part I hate). Example: R1 dives back to 1st on a pickoff and is obstructed by F3. In FED, R1 must go to 2nd base - there is no choice or question (now you know why I said I hate this).

I don't see why that award is bad....If you don't penalize the defense for OBS, why wouldn't they obstruct every time?