“Coach Dad” Shenanigans

[Kevin Finnerty]

On Friday, I had a coach tell me that he played pro ball for four different organizations, and that he's never seen a player ejected for doing a pop-up slide and knocking a fielder down.

I said, "Well, that's great. What's your experience with high school baseball? That's what we're playing here."

Originally Posted by cc6

Tim_C would say to never cite a specific rule in an argument.

Why not? It ends arguments almost instantly and prevents subsequent arguments. Follow that advice if you like prolonged and frequent arguments. A quick partial quotation of the wording of an applicable rule has always resulted in a quick and favorable end to an argument.

[bossman72]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

Why not? It ends arguments almost instantly and prevents subsequent arguments. Follow that advice if you like prolonged and frequent arguments. A quick partial quotation of the wording of an applicable rule has always resulted in a quick and favorable end to an argument.

If you quote a rule number it makes you sound like a smart a$$, number 1, and also you may be off by a number or get them confused so you'll look like a moron if the coach looks it up.

You should use RULE BOOK LANGUAGE if you feel like quoting a rule number.

"Coach, since his throw was the 2nd play by an infielder, by rule, it's 2 bases from where they were when the throw left the fielder's hand."

Used rule book language and applied it to the situation. If you feel like quoting a rule number, add the optional italics portion of the quote to make it sound more definitive.

better than...

"Coach, 7.05g says blah blah blah..."

[bossman72]

Kev,

I re-read your post and it seems like we're on the same page. I think you just misunderstood what the person you were quoting was trying to say. He was talking about rule NUMBERS and not actual rules.

[tballump]

I don't care if God taught him that balk move. It is still a balk.

[celebur]

Originally Posted by tballump

I don't care if God taught him that balk move. It is still a balk.

Why?

IMO, there have been some persuasive posts explaining why this isn't (necessarily) a balk. Rather than just declaring that it "is still a balk", please explain why you think this is a balk.

[tballump]

IMHO this would be a HTBT situation to start with and both sides of this have spoken. The OP requested some one-liners to use. If this play would have been judged a balk by all of us on this board because we were all at the game and this coach came out and gave that 9 pick-offs crap, this is just a line to use on this former AAA jerkof!.
Many times a pitcher with a good move will not balk 99 times out of 100 but that 1 time he does balk(players are not infallible), and the umpire calls the balk correctly does not warrant the crap about the other 99, and that he has never been called for this before, or he was taught this move by Roger Clemens(feel free to add any other pitchers names), etc., etc. Feel free not to use this line. It may or may not be a line that could or should ever be used at any level, or it may be a line that could only be used at a certain level.

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by tballump

IMHO this would be a HTBT situation to start with and both sides of this have spoken. The OP requested some one-liners to use. If this play would have been judged a balk by all of us on this board because we were all at the game and this coach came out and gave that 9 pick-offs crap, this is just a line to use on this former AAA jerkof!.
Many times a pitcher with a good move will not balk 99 times out of 100 but that 1 time he does balk(players are not infallible), and the umpire calls the balk correctly does not warrant the crap about the other 99, and that he has never been called for this before, or he was taught this move by Roger Clemens(feel free to add any other pitchers names), etc., etc. Feel free not to use this line. It may or may not be a line that could or should ever be used at any level, or it may be a line that could only be used at a certain level.

What?!?!?!

[celebur]

Originally Posted by tballump

IMHO this would be a HTBT situation to start with and both sides of this have spoken. The OP requested some one-liners to use. If this play would have been judged a balk by all of us on this board because we were all at the game and this coach came out and gave that 9 pick-offs crap, this is just a line to use on this former AAA jerkof!.
Many times a pitcher with a good move will not balk 99 times out of 100 but that 1 time he does balk(players are not infallible), and the umpire calls the balk correctly does not warrant the crap about the other 99, and that he has never been called for this before, or he was taught this move by Roger Clemens(feel free to add any other pitchers names), etc., etc. Feel free not to use this line. It may or may not be a line that could or should ever be used at any level, or it may be a line that could only be used at a certain level.

Ahh, I see now. Your first reply was in response to the OP request for a one-liner. With the progression of posts after the OP, it appeared as though you were simply decrying those who asserted that this may not be a balk, and that's how I took it.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by bossman72

If you quote a rule number it makes you sound like a smart a$$, number 1, and also you may be off by a number or get them confused so you'll look like a moron if the coach looks it up.

You should use RULE BOOK LANGUAGE if you feel like quoting a rule number.

"Coach, since his throw was the 2nd play by an infielder, by rule, it's 2 bases from where they were when the throw left the fielder's hand."

Used rule book language and applied it to the situation. If you feel like quoting a rule number, add the optional italics portion of the quote to make it sound more definitive.

better than...

"Coach, 7.05g says blah blah blah..."

I never said I quote a rule number, nor would I ever quote a rule number. I said, and follow this carefully, "A quick partial quotation of the WORDING of an applicable rule has always resulted in a quick and favorable end to an argument."

That's what I said and that's what I do. And it works, and I'm never doing it to be a smart a$$, but for resolution and fair play. Why do you have to be disagreeable?

[bossman72]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

I never said I quote a rule number, nor would I ever quote a rule number. I said, and follow this carefully, "A quick partial quotation of the WORDING of an applicable rule has always resulted in a quick and favorable end to an argument."

That's what I said and that's what I do. And it works, and I'm never doing it to be a smart a$$, but for resolution and fair play. Why do you have to be disagreeable?

Read my retraction I posted directly below that post