Is he a coach?

coach mb · #1 (**permalink**) Sat Mar 15, 2003, 09:44pm

Girls 12 year old game.
Team A up by 12 at the end of the 3rd Q.
Team B has 2 coachs on the bench.
Team B's coach of the "13-15 year old girls" positions himself under Team B's basket and calls the plays to team B.

Team A won the game by 2 points.

There's no doubt that the extra eyes had an effect on the game. The question is ... is there any rule or guideline for such behavior?

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. · #2 (**permalink**) Sat Mar 15, 2003, 10:21pm

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Originally posted by coach mb
Girls 12 year old game.
Team A up by 12 at the end of the 3rd Q.
Team B has 2 coachs on the bench.
Team B's coach of the "13-15 year old girls" positions himself under Team B's basket and calls the plays to team B.

Team A won the game by 2 points.

There's no doubt that the extra eyes had an effect on the game. The question is ... is there any rule or guideline for such behavior?

The coach that was situated under the basket is considered and assistant coach and therefore is bench personnel. There is only one place for him and that is his tuchus to be glued to the bench beside the substitutes.

Adam · #3 (**permalink**) Sat Mar 15, 2003, 11:08pm

I agree, Mark. If he's coaching them, he's a coach. Giving them plays is coaching them. Park him on the bench. Giving them plays is far different from cheering them on. It's also easier to call since he started the game on the bench.
Heck, if someone who didn't start on the bench was giving plays from the bleachers, I'd move him to the bench.
If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's probably a monkey.

Adam

nine01c · #4 (**permalink**) Sat Mar 15, 2003, 11:59pm

Does this gym have seating at the endlines?
I don't let anyone stand/sit anywhere on the endline during a game. Especially if they are interacting with the players or refs.

Stan · #5 (**permalink**) Sun Mar 16, 2003, 07:45am

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Originally posted by nine01c
Does this gym have seating at the endlines?

If there is seating on the ends and people are sitting there, by what rule can he be moved? I agree with the comments so far but I wouldn't know what to say or do.

Thanks, Stan

Mark Dexter · #6 (**permalink**) Sun Mar 16, 2003, 08:23am

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Originally posted by Snaqwells
I agree, Mark. If he's coaching them, he's a coach. Giving them plays is coaching them.

I have to disagree - I know plenty of fans who act like coaches:

"Go for the three!"
"Hands straight up!"
"Play good defense!"
"Pass it to 34 - he's open!"

While I would object to someone standing on the baseline, if there are seats, he's okay unless I can prove he's a coach.

coach mb · #7 (**permalink**) Sun Mar 16, 2003, 08:56am

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Originally posted by nine01c
Does this gym have seating at the endlines?
I don't let anyone stand/sit anywhere on the endline during a game. Especially if they are interacting with the players or refs.

There is no seating at the end. It's a hallway that connects the gym to the school.

mick · #8 (**permalink**) Sun Mar 16, 2003, 09:06am

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Originally posted by coach mb
There's no doubt that the extra eyes had an effect on the game. The question is ... is there any rule or guideline for such behavior?

How was the game affected? Do you mean the score was closer or that Coach B call the wrong play?

Like Mark T implied, if it isn't a scrimmage the coach belongs in the coaching box or on the bench.

mick

RecRef · #9 (**permalink**) Sun Mar 16, 2003, 11:21am

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Originally posted by coach mb
Girls 12 year old game.
Team A up by 12 at the end of the 3rd Q.
Team B has 2 coachs on the bench.
Team B's coach of the "13-15 year old girls" positions himself under Team B's basket and calls the plays to team B.

Coach, what type of league are you talking about?

coach mb · #10 (**permalink**) Sun Mar 16, 2003, 09:18pm

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Coach, what type of league are you talking about?

Parocial school league. Grades 4 - 8

Adam · #11 (**permalink**) Mon Mar 17, 2003, 12:02am

I don't care if there's seating or not.
In this case, he had started off on the bench as a coach. He's a coach.
Also, anyone on the sidelines who's telling the offense what play to run is a coach. I'm not talking about cheering or encouraging, or even yelling, "shoot that!" If he's yelling plays and the kids are listening (assuming I can tell), he's a coach.
Coaches sit on the bench.

If I have any doubt, I'll inform him that if he continues to coach the kids from the stands, he's going to be removed from the gym. The other option is a T for leaving the coaches box. I'd want to avoid that if I wasn't sure it was a coach.
However, in this case, it was a coach who started off on the bench. I'd give him one warning to get back to the bench (since we're talking about a 12 year old league.)

coach mb · #12 (**permalink**) Mon Mar 17, 2003, 11:18am

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Originally posted by Snaqwells
In this case, he had started off on the bench as a coach.

Sorry if I wasn't clear. He's the coach of the "older" girls (same school). He did not start on the bench for the 12 year olds.

Adam · #13 (**permalink**) Mon Mar 17, 2003, 01:08pm

Oops, you were clear. I didn't catch that part the first time. That makes it slightly more difficult.
Here's my thinking. Warn him that if he's behaving like a coach, he must sit on the bench with the coaches.
As I stated before, calling plays (as opposed to telling them to shoot or something) is coaching, not cheering. I'll give him the choice of sitting down and being quiet, or leaving the gym.
One of two things is happening. This guy is either stepping on the toes of the current coach, or the current coach is skirting the rules with a "non-coach."
If I find out that Coach B is encouraging it, I may be inclined to issue a T if my warning isn't heeded. Otherwise, it's a game management issue, and the quasi-coach is removed.

Adam