bat in strike zone

[gfgartland]

I am quoting out of order....

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

So whenever the ball comes through the zone, you call a strike. Is that news?

I apologize, I should have worded my response differently. I do call all pitches that come through the zone as strikes. I should have stated, "when the pitch comes in."

Originally Posted by Tim C

So, I am assuming that you are calling the location of the pitch not simply having the bat over the plate, right?

You have confused me a little.

Regards,

I am calling what I perceive to be an attempt at the pitch. I cannot see any other logical reason for the bat to be in the strike zone other than to be offering at the pitch. (As always I am willing to see other points of view on this.)

Originally Posted by mrm21711

You have made 3 posts in the last 2 days and all 3 have been ridiculous.

I can see how you might feel that this last post was ridiculous (per my responses above), but so is making a comment such as this.

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

As with assistant coaches, maybe assistant umpires are a little goofy.

We are a goofy breed, I will admit. We have to be able to talk umpire, coach, director, league and board member, and many times translate between all of them.

[mrm21711]

Originally Posted by gfgartland

I can see how you might feel that this last post was ridiculous (per my responses above), but so is making a comment such as this.

Although I think you are a troll, it appears that the members agree with me and not with you.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by mrm21711

Although I think you are a troll, it appears that the members agree with me and not with you.

After five pitches, I have two balls, three strikes.
The guy needed info. Glad to provide it.

[FTVMartin]

Good post Ozzy, It's amazing how those defenitions always have such good info in them.

[gfgartland]

Originally Posted by SAump

Stop trying so hard to make a wrong a right.

I am not trying to do that, I am trying to really get into the rules. I am trying to look at a different angle, and really see how it works.

Originally Posted by mrm21711

Although I think you are a troll, it appears that the members agree with me and not with you.

I am disappointed with your lack of professionalism. I cannot believe that this is how you would speak (which is essentially what we are doing here) to someone after only knowing them a max of 3 days and talking with them twice. I hope that if you are ever on the field with a rookie you treat them with .01% more respect then you have extended to me, and give them the benefit of the doubt when they ask you for guidance.

But really looking at what you have said in this thread, you have not stated an answer, put forth a question or asked an opinion. All you have done is hurled insults at someone who is trying to better themselves. Sounds similar to another group of people in this world that I know.

[gfgartland]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

FED 7-2-1

SECTION 2 STRIKES, BALLS AND HITS
ART. 1 ... A strike is charged to the batter when:
a. a pitch enters any part of the strike zone in flight and is not struck at;
b. a pitch is struck at and missed (even if the pitch touches the batter);
c. a pitch becomes a foul when the batter has less than two strikes;
d. a pitch becomes a foul tip (even on third strike) or a foul from an attempted bunt;
e. a batter delays (6-2-4d-1 and 7-3-1); or
f. a batted ball contacts the batter in the batter's box (foul ball).

There, now did you see your statement anywhere in the rules listed? I didn't think so and that means you are making up rules!

FED RULE 2
SECTION 8: Bunt

A bunt is a fair ball in which the batter does not swing to hit the ball, but holds the bat in the path of the ball to tap it slowly to the infield. (the rest is irrelevant to this discussion).

I see nothing in this rule stating that the bat need be moving to be considered a bunt, only that it be held. I am also aware that the rules also do not state that an attempted bunt is a strike. So to me would indicate that to be able to call an attempted bunt a strike, holding the bat in the path of the ball would have to be defined then as striking at the ball.

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by gfgartland

FED RULE 2
SECTION 8: Bunt

A bunt is a fair ball in which the batter does not swing to hit the ball, but holds the bat in the path of the ball to tap it slowly to the infield. (the rest is irrelevant to this discussion).

I see nothing in this rule stating that the bat need be moving to be considered a bunt, only that it be held. I am also aware that the rules also do not state that an attempted bunt is a strike. So to me would indicate that to be able to call an attempted bunt a strike, holding the bat in the path of the ball would have to be defined then as striking at the ball.

From what you quote, contact with the ball needs to take place for the definition of a bunt to be met.

Thus we are left with the definition of a strike when that does not ocurr. No need to repost that.

Your are clearly wrong in your interpretation. Tell me, is this interpretation held by all the paid umpires of the Bloomington Athletic Association, the "largest volunteer organization in America?" (Wouldn't that be a contradiction?)

[SAump]

Originally Posted by gfgartland

I see nothing in this rule stating that the bat need be moving to be considered a bunt, only that it be held. I am also aware that the rules also do not state that an attempted bunt is a strike. So to me would indicate that to be able to call an attempted bunt a strike, holding the bat in the path of the ball would have to be defined then as striking at the ball.

Are you sure the bat needs to be held?
Provide an example of an attempted bunt attempt that is not called a strike.
I threw the ball. You had time to move the bat out of the way.
The ball hits your bat on the knob of the handle outside the strike zone.
Ball or strike?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by gfgartland

FED RULE 2
SECTION 8: Bunt

A bunt is a fair ball in which the batter does not swing to hit the ball, but holds the bat in the path of the ball to tap it slowly to the infield. (the rest is irrelevant to this discussion).

I see nothing in this rule stating that the bat need be moving to be considered a bunt, only that it be held.

FED 7.2.1B "In bunting, any movement of the bat toward the ball when the ball is over or near the plate area, is a strike. The mere holding of the bat in the strike zone is not an attempt to bunt."

If B1 is holding the bat (motionless) "in the zone" and the ball passes the plate "out of the zone" then I don't see how the pitch could be anything but a ball.