What would you call?

[jdmara]

Maybe I'm just taking an approach from basketball and misapplying it to baseball but if the following situation occurs, this is how I would handle it:

Originally Posted by jdmara

Two outs, 1-1 count. R2 stealing on the pitch, B3 swings at the pitch and misses. F2 attempts to throw out R3 and is interfered with by B2. When it was obvious R2 was safe, PU declares R2 out on the interference by B3. I approach PU (aka Randy):

Me: "Randy, what did you see?"
PU: "F2 caught the pitch and attempted to throw out R2 at 3B. F2's hand hit the bat of B3, who had both feet out of the box"
Me: "Who did you call out on the interference?"
Randy: "R3"
Me: "Randy, I believe you've misapplied the interference rule. Shouldn't B3 be called out on the interference?"
Randy: "You are right"

Randy then declared B3 out on the play instead of R2.

I didn't undermine the PU by yelling across the field at the PU. I calmly approached him (would have stepped away from players if they were in the area) and asked him what he saw. If I something that he needed to know (for instance, on a tag play the ball was dropped but he was blocked from seeing it), I would approach him, ask him what he saw, and then tell him what I saw. The calling umpire will make the final decision on what to call. I'm just providing what I saw and then s/he makes the decision.

-Josh

[GoodwillRef]

Why are baseball umpires so stubborn and unwilling to change a call when it is obvious the call or rule applied is wrong? In football and basketball we get together and exchange information and try to get the call right...but in baseball we would rather be wrong than get some help and have to swallow a big peice of humble pie.

[kylejt]

I've got no problem changing my calls. Let's just do it the correct way.

[PeteBooth]

You are missing the point

Yes baseball officials should get together however, do it the correct way.

To use a comparison.

Suppose a basketball official ruled a charge on the offensive player but you were 100% convinced is was a blocking foul on the part of the defense. Are you going to chime in unnanoucned and over-rule your partner?

In baseball you cannot have officials arbritrarily over-ruling one another or injecting themselves in a rule interp UNLESS asked. That's the way it is and should be.

Remember if the coach does not agree with a rule interp then protest. It's no BIG deal. Once the coach protests then we can assist by RULE.

If the coach does not know how to file a valid protest then shame on him.

Pete Booth

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by PeteBooth

You are missing the point

Yes baseball officials should get together however, do it the correct way.

To use a comparison.

Suppose a basketball official ruled a charge on the offensive player but you were 100% convinced is was a blocking foul on the part of the defense. Are you going to chime in unnanoucned and over-rule your partner

In baseball you cannot have officials arbritrarily over-ruling one another or injecting themselves in a rule interp UNLESS asked. That's the way it is and should be.

Remember if the coach does not agree with a rule interp then protest. It's no BIG deal. Once the coach protests then we can assist by RULE.

If the coach does not know how to file a valid protest then shame on him.

Pete Booth

You've hit the nail on the head with ypur basketball comparison Pete. Well put.

[UmpTTS43]

jicecone and Pete,

I understand what you are saying, and agree when there are other extenuating (sic?) circumstances. I was refering to when there is an obvious rule misinterpretation. I was making a general statement overall and not taking into consideration the entirety of this thread discussion.

[kylejt]

Originally Posted by UmpTTS43

jicecone and Pete,
I was refering to when there is an obvious rule misinterpretation.

You still need the manager to do his job. Is that too much to ask?

[umpjim]

Originally Posted by LDUB

R2 and R1. I am PU, 3 balls on batter. F1 pitches and BU calls "that's a balk". I call the pitch a ball. BU then calls time and starts awarding bases. I was 99% sure he called a balk for not stopping. So I ask "are you calling a no stop balk?" He says yes so I say well the pitch was ball 4, batter and all other runners are advancing so we'll ignore the balk. He agreed and all was well. It was possible he was calling a balk for something before the pitch so I just had to ask. It wasn't a big deal at all.

What other balk call would make a difference in this situation? I'm focused on FED so OBR has gone to the back of my brain.