Hijacked from Basketball Board... with a baseball twist

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

. Do you honestly think that if the coach overheard you through paper thin walls making despariging comments about him and his team that he wouldn't make his first phone call to your assignor?

First, being more professional that most Rats, I wouldn't make those comments.

But second, are you suggesting that because a Rat acts like a rat, I'm expected to do likewise? Sorry. I hold myself to a higher standard.

[umpduck11]

Originally Posted by PeteBooth

Also, suppose you hear the coach say this to one of his players.

Jimmy the umpires are letting Tommy (the other teams F2) get away with "murder " on plays at the plate.

The next time you are on base I want you to "take out" Tommy

There is no place in HS sports for this kind of nonsense.





Pete Booth

So you would eject a coach before the act actually occured ? J agree there's no place for that type of coaching behavior in high school sports, but I don't believe I could eject the coach for something I overheard, especially since it was not on the field.

[PeteBooth]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by umpduck11

So you would eject a coach before the act actually occured ?

My counter argument

Forget about the locker room meaning you are on the field.

There is play at the plate where-by you call a runner out.

The OM thinks that you blew an OBS call.

As his runner is coming back to the dug-out you hear

"Timmy, since they are not going to call OBS next time take out F2"

Now the act of taking out F2 has not yet occured so you are telling me that we at this point should do nothing?

I see no difference between the 2 situations.

The coach KNOWS that the walls are thin so if he does not want the umpires to hear the conversation there is a way he can do it, however, once we have information IMO we can not just "let it go" at least in the HS and below levels.

PRO ball is altogether different and the point is most likely moot because I do not think the umpire lounge is near the players.

There are many things that we as umpires do before the "act is actually performed"

Pete Booth

[Ump153]

[QUOTE=PeteBooth;563099]

My counter argument

Forget about the locker room meaning you are on the field.

There is play at the plate where-by you call a runner out.

The OM thinks that you blew an OBS call.

As his runner is coming back to the dug-out you hear

"Timmy, since they are not going to call OBS next time take out F2"

Now the act of taking out F2 has not yet occured so you are telling me that we at this point should do nothing?

Yes.

[bob jenkins]

[QUOTE=PeteBooth;563099]

Now the act of taking out F2 has not yet occured so you are telling me that we at this point should do nothing?

There's a whole range of actions between (and beyond) "do nothing" and "immediately eject."

[umpduck11]

[QUOTE=PeteBooth;563099]

My counter argument

Forget about the locker room meaning you are on the field.

There is play at the plate where-by you call a runner out.

The OM thinks that you blew an OBS call.

As his runner is coming back to the dug-out you hear

"Timmy, since they are not going to call OBS next time take out F2"

Now the act of taking out F2 has not yet occured so you are telling me that we at this point should do nothing?

I see no difference between the 2 situations.



There are many things that we as umpires do before the "act is actually performed"

Pete Booth

My answer to your counter-argument : As soon as one of this coach's player DOES take out an opponent, he is ejected for MC, of course, and then I get the coach for the provocation. For all I know, he might cool down, and tell the player, in the dugout, "Forget that; don't try to take him out".

If a coach came to you and said "Pete, we're gonna play without a right fielder today", are you going to eject him immediately, or after his team takes the field defensively, and he refuses to put a player into position ? I would have to guess you're dumping him right then, but I could be wrong.

Chuck

[Matt]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

Perhaps I'm fighting a losing battle here, and hopefully it is because I can't convey what I mean.

Here is the baseball sitch. Let's say you got a rain delay, teams head across the field back to the building. You get to your dressing room as well, only to hear the home coach through the paper thin walls railing his team with profanity, some of which is directed at you and pard.

I would advocate for ignoring it and nailing him the first chance he gives you after the delay. If we don't get back out there, I'm calling assignor and letting him know what happened for the continuation, so he can talk to the new crew if he wishes.

Some would advocate ejecting him from the game as soon as he steps foot back onto the field, directly for his actions in the locker room. I don't like it, myself. Seems like a battle an official can't win.

Thoughts?

This isn't going to matter in terms of my immediate action, but what level?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Matt

This isn't going to matter in terms of my immediate action, but what level?

My thought as well. For FED we have an additional option short of ejecting.