Hijacked from Basketball Board... with a baseball twist

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

What goes on in the locker room is none of our business! If you want to inform your assignor and/or "red line" this school, fine. But you have no business saying anything to anyone else about this. There is no "rule" for this, it is just common courtesy - just like when you are with your buddies, you yap and curse about a coach.

sorry if I'm repeating someone elses comments.

Ozzy, you're full of it if you think this is true. Do you honestly think that if the coach overheard you through paper thin walls making despariging comments about him and his team that he wouldn't make his first phone call to your assignor? What happens in the locker room stays in the locker room till everyone leaves the locker room. Then it is fair game. I might not penalize the coach, but I sure as hell am going to let him know I'm not a fool and I know what is going on. In the case of him telling a player to take out another player, as soon as we get back to the field, I'm letting him know that if any of his players take anyone out the rest of this game not only will that player be ejected, but he can go warm the bus up.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

sorry if I'm repeating someone elses comments.

Ozzy, you're full of it if you think this is true. Do you honestly think that if the coach overheard you through paper thin walls making despariging comments about him and his team that he wouldn't make his first phone call to your assignor? What happens in the locker room stays in the locker room till everyone leaves the locker room. Then it is fair game. I might not penalize the coach, but I sure as hell am going to let him know I'm not a fool and I know what is going on. In the case of him telling a player to take out another player, as soon as we get back to the field, I'm letting him know that if any of his players take anyone out the rest of this game not only will that player be ejected, but he can go warm the bus up.

With all due respect, baseball has been around a long time, and so has the locker room code. What is said there--however brazenly or childishly--stays there ... period. To act on it publicly is a breach ... period. It's how baseball works ... period. It's how it must work.

Your words: "What happens in the locker room stays in the locker room till everyone leaves the locker room. Then it is fair game." The previous quote, in particular, shows a pronounced level of baseball naiveté on your part. Not Ozzy nor I wrote the code, we're just quoting from it. You should learn it.

How to handle the threat of malicious contact is a separate issue that you combined with the fruits of locker room issue.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

sorry if I'm repeating someone elses comments.

Ozzy, you're full of it if you think this is true. Do you honestly think that if the coach overheard you through paper thin walls making despariging comments about him and his team that he wouldn't make his first phone call to your assignor? What happens in the locker room stays in the locker room till everyone leaves the locker room. Then it is fair game. I might not penalize the coach, but I sure as hell am going to let him know I'm not a fool and I know what is going on. In the case of him telling a player to take out another player, as soon as we get back to the field, I'm letting him know that if any of his players take anyone out the rest of this game not only will that player be ejected, but he can go warm the bus up.

Well, my friend, if you pulled something like this on my crew, you would not be on the crew any longer. And before you start to become sanctimonious, I know a lot of FED and NCAA Basketball officials that would have you tossed off their crew, also. What you hear off the court or the field is not to be taken to the court or field. I agree that if you hear a coach telling his players to do something against safety rules, you should make note of it, mentally! You should be on the lookout during the game and if such an infraction occurs, you should take immediate and appropriate action. But to openly say something to a coach about something he said in the locker room (his locker room) is just wrong, period!

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

What you hear off the court or the field is not to be taken to the court or field.

10.4.1 SITUATION B: At halftime, as the teams, coaches, and officials are making their way through a hallway to the dressing room, a Team A member verbally abuses one of the officials. RULING: A technical foul is charged to the team member and is also charged indirectly to the head coach. During intermission all team members are bench personnel and are penalized accordingly. If the conduct is flagrant, the team member shall be disqualified.

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by LDUB

10.4.1 SITUATION B: At halftime, as the teams, coaches, and officials are making their way through a hallway to the dressing room, a Team A member verbally abuses one of the officials. RULING: A technical foul is charged to the team member and is also charged indirectly to the head coach. During intermission all team members are bench personnel and are penalized accordingly. If the conduct is flagrant, the team member shall be disqualified.

This situation adresses conduct directed directly at an official, in person, by a player. This is different from the OP which dicusses a conversation that is overheard.

Not the same animal.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Well, my friend, if you pulled something like this on my crew, you would not be on the crew any longer. And before you start to become sanctimonious, I know a lot of FED and NCAA Basketball officials that would have you tossed off their crew, also.

I am sorry this is a little late to comment on this. But there is not such thing as a "Crew" that you could throw someone off of. That just does not take place in basketball. We work with too many different people. I do get the point.

Peace

[Cub42]

SS, I was directing my post to some of the officials without very much experience handling situations, and those who haven't work above HS Level

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by Cub42

SS, I was directing my post to some of the officials without very much experience handling situations, and those who haven't work above HS Level

In some parts of the LA area, some high school environments can be as challenging as most D-III or JC or similar small college settings. Ever heard of nationally-ranked Chatsworth? The left side of their infield got drafted in the first dozen picks two years ago. You do one of their games, with local TV and the LA Times and Daily News and about 500-plus people, and it can get just as challenging as a couple of higher levels. And they're not the only ones.

[Cub42]

KF, I am not taking shots at anyone here. But I know about being on TV and working in front of big crowds. I do it every night from May till Sept.

[Kevin Finnerty]

I'm just saying that you did place high school in a category that made it sound free of any real challenges. I did a H.S. game at Jered and Jeff Weaver's school, and they had another pro prospect throwing 94 mph when I was there. There was another private school in the valley that had three D-I pitchers who were already signed as juniors. One 91-mph-throwing left-hander went to Florida State; another lefty, who throws 93, went to Loyola Marymount, and the third one, a right-hander who went 20-0 with a 1.00 ERA as a varsity starter, went to NY Stonybrook. All three may be in the big leagues someday, according to not just me, but the several scouts that followed them. Their games got pretty challenging, too.

High school is not necessarily high school in several parts of the country.

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

. Do you honestly think that if the coach overheard you through paper thin walls making despariging comments about him and his team that he wouldn't make his first phone call to your assignor?

First, being more professional that most Rats, I wouldn't make those comments.

But second, are you suggesting that because a Rat acts like a rat, I'm expected to do likewise? Sorry. I hold myself to a higher standard.

[w_sohl]

the coach suggesting a player should retaliate. What he says about me or my crew, wether I hear it or not, is of no concern to me. In fact it would probably give me a good laugh. I also would not talk badly about a team in a manner that a coach would talk badly of us officials. I may make a comment to my partner(s) but it wouldn't be inappropriate. sorry for the confusion, but it actually sounds like we are on the same page.