Hijacked from Basketball Board... with a baseball twist

[PeteBooth]

I do not agree especially in a HS environment

If you are the parent of one of those kids on the team wouldn't you want to know what kind of 'stuff" is being taugt.

HS coaches for the most part are also teachers and should be teaching the kis about life THROUGH sports.

Also, suppose you hear the coach say this to one of his players.

Jimmy the umpires are letting Tommy (the other teams F2) get away with "murder " on plays at the plate.

The next time you are on base I want you to "take out" Tommy

There is no place in HS sports for this kind of nonsense.

It's one thing if the coach is giving strategies etc. and says "Hey guys let's try the "skunk in the outfield play" or something along those lines then I perfectly agree "what is said in the locker room stays there" with regard to strategies of the game BUT

when a coach is telling his players that the officials are cheating or instructing one of his players to possibly cause harm to another player is IMO crossing the line and should be reported.

Pete Booth

[ozzy6900]

What goes on in the locker room is none of our business! If you want to inform your assignor and/or "red line" this school, fine. But you have no business saying anything to anyone else about this. There is no "rule" for this, it is just common courtesy - just like when you are with your buddies, you yap and curse about a coach.

[UmpTTS43]

I would tend to make a note of it mentally, and put it in my "tool box" so to speak. If "Tommy" did get taken out, by chance, player and coach are gone and what I heard will probably be in my report. I have talked about coaches and some players myself between myself and other umps. Should I do it? Probably not, but it does happen. Lockeroom rants stay there, but I will have my mental notebook available for the rest of that game. If I feel that someone's safety is in jeapordy, I will pull coach aside, prior to resuming, and let him know about the conversation I happened to have heard while in the lockeroom. There are more times than we care to admit that teams are told we are the reason for their failure. Heck, I cost at teams at least half their games I officiate it seems. Who hasn't had the discussion with your partner about how coach A is a real pr*ck and will be on a real short leash today? I have had partners actually tell me "I think I'm going to dump someone today" prior to the game. If it happens and I think my partner did it to satisfy his whim, then I will take postgame actions myself.

Giddie up Tangent.

Bottom line, what is said in the lockeroom tends to stay in the lockeroom, until it affects my ability to provide the service I am hired for.

[Kevin Finnerty]

I have several stab wounds in my back, but never as much as a hangnail from delivering one. And I have had some pretty objectionable partners. The never-throw-the-partner-under-no-matter-what approach will get you universal respect in the long run.

[BigTex]

Last summer, college wood bat league--

Pickoff at second, R2 slides into F4's foot which was in front of the bag (not blocking the entire bag, probably about 1/4 of the bag). F4 tags runner, I call runner out. O head coach want OBS, I say no, the runner had a clear path to the bag, back and forth we go. As he walks away, he says to me, "I am going to tell them to come in spikes high next time."

I did not reply. I did not eject him there, but it did go in the memory bank. If someone had come in maliciously later in the game, I would have ejected the player, then the HC.

All we can do is call the things we see.

[CajunNewBlue]

Originally Posted by BigTex

Last summer, college wood bat league--

Pickoff at second, R2 slides into F4's foot which was in front of the bag (not blocking the entire bag, probably about 1/4 of the bag). F4 tags runner, I call runner out. O head coach want OBS, I say no, the runner had a clear path to the bag, back and forth we go. As he walks away, he says to me, "I am going to tell them to come in spikes high next time."

I did not reply. I did not eject him there, but it did go in the memory bank. If someone had come in maliciously later in the game, I would have ejected the player, then the HC.

All we can do is call the things we see.

How would you justify EJ'ing the HC? ... coz you know he's gonna say he NEVER told that player to MC the defense.... shoulda got him when he said it... IMHO

[BigTex]

Originally Posted by CajunNewBlue

How would you justify EJ'ing the HC? ... coz you know he's gonna say he NEVER told that player to MC the defense.... shoulda got him when he said it... IMHO

I would write my report and include everything that happened. I don't really care what the HC says.

How are you going to justify a prophylactic ejection?

[Matt]

Originally Posted by BigTex

I would write my report and include everything that happened. I don't really care what the HC says.

How are you going to justify a prophylactic ejection?

You have fun in court when you had advance notice of an intent to injure and did nothing to stop it.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by BigTex

How are you going to justify a prophylactic ejection?

Now you watch your tongue, there padna!

[JRutledge]

At least at the high school level (and lower level college), there is not much equivalent to what happens in basketball or football for that matter. There are no locker rooms to separate teams and officials.

I would say similarly to what I said on the basketball board. If the comments were said after the game, there is a way to handle that at the high school level. You can write up the coach and make others known about the behavior of such an adult (coach). If I have not yet left the field you can eject a coach until you leave the field. And if a coach wants to follow you after the game or comment after the game, then you still can write up a coach.

I had a coach one time follow me off the field in a college game, I wrote the coach up and moved on.

Peace

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by BigTex

Last summer, college wood bat league--

Pickoff at second, R2 slides into F4's foot which was in front of the bag (not blocking the entire bag, probably about 1/4 of the bag). F4 tags runner, I call runner out. O head coach want OBS, I say no, the runner had a clear path to the bag, back and forth we go. As he walks away, he says to me, "I am going to tell them to come in spikes high next time."

I did not reply. I did not eject him there, but it did go in the memory bank. If someone had come in maliciously later in the game, I would have ejected the player, then the HC.

All we can do is call the things we see.

I had a similar situation a couple of years ago I was the BU in a FED game between two rival HS's We were watching everything that day because we were warned by our assigner that there may be problems. HC for school "A" stated that he was going to have his people come in "with their nails up". I simply said, "You do what you feel you have to, John, but mark my words, if I eject one of your players for having their nails up, you are going with them, understood?". Happily, no one from school "A" ever came close to having their spikes in the air.

If a coach makes a threat to do something against the rules, you have to tell him right then and there that he is going to suffer the same fate as his player. You must also make sure that if you have to make that ejection, you follow it up with a report stating that you warned the coach after he made the statement.

[Tim C]

"Ozzy, you're full of it if you think this is true."

Then quite a few of us are full of it. As Ozzy and Kevin have stated what happens in a locker room (remember the OP does NOT have a face-to-face confrontation) stays in the locker room.

I would be shocked if any one of my partners reacted in anyway to something that is overheard.

Sorry we just see things differently.

Regards

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Tim C

Then quite a few of us are full of it. As Ozzy and Kevin have stated what happens in a locker room (remember the OP does NOT have a face-to-face confrontation) stays in the locker room.

I would be shocked if any one of my partners reacted in anyway to something that is overheard.

Sorry we just see things differently.

Regards

You mean that the thing in Alaska where officials were penalized cause they were overheard talking about a team and coaches didn't happen? I mean, what happens in the locker room stays in the locker room, after all.

Referee Mag. Editorial on Taped Refs.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

What goes on in the locker room is none of our business! If you want to inform your assignor and/or "red line" this school, fine. But you have no business saying anything to anyone else about this. There is no "rule" for this, it is just common courtesy - just like when you are with your buddies, you yap and curse about a coach.

Okay? The man's right. And when he's right, he's usually very, very right.

The game is the game, irrespective of everything, including the level of play. If it's going on in public, you are responsible for it. In private, store it away if you want, but it stays there. Period.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

The game is the game, irrespective of everything

Of all the things you've said, this one is the most wrong. A Little League game is not a college game and a LL coach yelling at/around 10 year olds like this would be much different than a college coach.