Worthy of Ejection?

[SAump]

Originally Posted by njdevs00cup

Men's league: Batter takes a called strike two. He steps out, gives me a stare and steps back in. Batter swings at a fastball for strike three. While in the batter's box, he looks at me and says for all to hear, "That F***ing pitch was inside!"

I tossed him from the game and was later told I shouldn't have by my assigner! Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated!

You can't put it back in a bottle.
The assignor is trying to help, so listen to him.

[tballump]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

This particular league became so out of hand that almost a dozen of us walked out in mid-season. That was 1998 and I have not been back since! (I am getting too old for that crap now)

A league is only as good as how the person/people in charge "back" the umpires and run the league. This includes the punishments handed out for unsportsmanlike conduct/deportment.

[tballump]

Originally Posted by PeteBooth

(This league I umpired in had an automatic one game suspension if you got EJ'd plus they had to pay a $25.00 fine on top of that)

Pete Booth

Sounds like a good deterrent for unsportsmanlike conduct, and sounds like a league that "backs" its umpires. Or, is that league rule just a smokescreen and they "blackball" umpires who eject?

[PeteBooth]

No this particular league didn't want any non-sense but as with other things in life once their is a new "management team" things change.

Like Ozzy I too do not umpire mens leagues any-more. It is simply not worth it. Generally speaking Mens leagues are the worst type games you will encounter.

You try and treat them like men but they act like fools and eventually no-one wants to umpire these games.

Pete Booth

[Emperor Ump]

While men's leagues do have a reputation (well deserved), I had a pretty good season this year, something seemed to have changed. I heard less whining, there were fewer EJs and all went relatively smoothly. You're always going to have those individuals who like to act like a$$es, but it wasn't as wide spread as before.

[jkumpire]

Let me throw my .02 in here.

I am a member of the clergy, and I umpire men's adult and college BB, with former pro players in the leagues I work as well as lower levels. I have a rather dim view of anyone using the F-bomb any time I hear it, no matter who says it. The same goes for Damn, hell, and all kinds of other "colorful metaphors". Our culture is rapidly going down the chute, and it is this kind of behavior and language which is a sure sign of it. It did not used to be this way. And if I can, I will in a private manner ask them to knock it off. This does work, if you do it right.

However, if I hear it and F2 hears it only, then I can let it go and deal with it in other ways before ejection, unless it is being used to show me up, or the crowd starts to hear it. If the F-Bomb was the start of a conforontation, dump him now, if not deal with it in another way.

Most players who play on that level and have a clue know you cuss out towards the outfield, not at anyone, and don't use it to show the umpire up. And they also know that if they use it at me or any good ump on strike two, then the zone just got big time wider and he had better be swinging. There are times when strikes and outs are the best discipline for rowdy players, and a good F2 for the other team makes life real easy one you!

If he then decides to further do things, then he is deciding to eject himself.

Which leads me to the question I would ask our first poster: Did anything else happen earlier in the game that gave you a reason to eject him? Did he go after you in a previous AB, or was there a lot of people riding you about a call or your zone?

I frankly think your assigner should have walked you through why this was not a good ejection IHO, instead of just saying so.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by tballump

I believe I read a story once about a batter who asked, "where was that pitch". The umpire said, right down the f---ing middle. The player said f--- you and was ejected. In his defense the player said he had never heard the f word before nor did he know what it meant, and just said it because the umpire did. The ump was fined $25 and the player nothing.

Sounds like bullsh!t to me.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by jkumpire

I frankly think your assigner should have walked you through why this was not a good ejection IHO, instead of just saying so.

Precisely. An explanation would have been in order.

[DG]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Sounds like bullsh!t to me.

Yep. The number of adult males who have never heard F--- would be extremely small. The number of adult males playing baseball who have never heard F--- would be microscopic in number.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by DG

Yep. The number of adult males who have never heard F--- would be extremely small. The number of adult males playing baseball who have never heard F--- would be microscopic in number.

Not to mention (and to be overly analytical,) the umpire in this story used the word in its gerund form as an adjective. It wouldn't be intuitive to convert the adjectival form to an infinitive used as an epithet.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by jkumpire

Let me throw my .02 in here.

I am a member of the clergy, and I umpire men's adult and college BB, with former pro players in the leagues I work as well as lower levels. I have a rather dim view of anyone using the F-bomb any time I hear it, no matter who says it. The same goes for Damn, hell, and all kinds of other "colorful metaphors". Our culture is rapidly going down the chute, and it is this kind of behavior and language which is a sure sign of it. It did not used to be this way. And if I can, I will in a private manner ask them to knock it off. This does work, if you do it right.

However, if I hear it and F2 hears it only, then I can let it go and deal with it in other ways before ejection, unless it is being used to show me up, or the crowd starts to hear it. If the F-Bomb was the start of a conforontation, dump him now, if not deal with it in another way.

Most players who play on that level and have a clue know you cuss out towards the outfield, not at anyone, and don't use it to show the umpire up. And they also know that if they use it at me or any good ump on strike two, then the zone just got big time wider and he had better be swinging. There are times when strikes and outs are the best discipline for rowdy players, and a good F2 for the other team makes life real easy one you!

If he then decides to further do things, then he is deciding to eject himself.

Which leads me to the question I would ask our first poster: Did anything else happen earlier in the game that gave you a reason to eject him? Did he go after you in a previous AB, or was there a lot of people riding you about a call or your zone?

I frankly think your assigner should have walked you through why this was not a good ejection IHO, instead of just saying so.

Would you eject an adult player for telling you you've made "a terrible call" loud enough for all to hear?

If not, would you eject the same player in the same situation if he'd said you've made a "fu*^^*ing terrible call"?


Tim.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

Would you eject an adult player for telling you you've made "a terrible call" loud enough for all to hear?

No.

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

If not, would you eject the same player in the same situation if he'd said you've made a "fu*^^*ing terrible call"?

No.

BTW, what is "fu*^^*ing" anyway? I counted the letters and they don't add up.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

No.


No.

BTW, what is "fu*^^*ing" anyway? I counted the letters and they don't add up.

I already knew you wouldn't dump a player in either of the scenarios I presented. I was wondering how JK would handle it. It was obviously a loaded question.


Tim.

[griff901c]

Originally Posted by Matt

Not to mention (and to be overly analytical,) the umpire in this story used the word in its gerund form as an adjective. It wouldn't be intuitive to convert the adjectival form to an infinitive used as an epithet.

Huh?..... Makes my f$%#)*G head hurt........



griff

[SethPDX]

He means the player heard the word "blanking" and figured out he could turn it into a verb and say, "blank you!"

I never got too much into that grammar $h1+