fukudome throws ball out of play

[Rcichon]

Ball was still in play at the release? Carlos was beyond 1st when it went out of play?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Rcichon

Ball was still in play at the release? Carlos was beyond 1st when it went out of play?

Why would it matter where Carlos was when the ball went out of play?

[w_sohl]

Because it was an outfielder that threw the ball out of play. That is sort of the reason. I believe rule of thumb is TOP if infielders and TOT if outfielders....

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

Because it was an outfielder that threw the ball out of play. That is sort of the reason. I believe rule of thumb is TOP if infielders and TOT if outfielders....

That still doesn't explain why it matters where Carlos was when the ball went out of play, only where he was when the outfielder threw the ball. Two bases from the TOT, not the time when the ball went out of play. See what I mean?

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

Because it was an outfielder that threw the ball out of play. That is sort of the reason. I believe rule of thumb is TOP if infielders and TOT if outfielders....

I don't think that's accurate.

[bluezebra]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

Because it was an outfielder that threw the ball out of play. That is sort of the reason. I believe rule of thumb is TOP if infielders and TOT if outfielders....

TOT means TIME OF THROW, not when the ball goes out-of-play.

Bob

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by bluezebra

TOT means TIME OF THROW, not when the ball goes out-of-play.

Bob

Already been addressed in previous post.

[Rcichon]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Why would it matter where Carlos was when the ball went out of play?

It wouldn't. TOT, not TOWTBWOOP.

[LMan]

Originally Posted by Rcichon

It wouldn't. TOT, not TOWTBWOOP.

WOBW if TTIWWP.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by LMan

WOBW if TTIWWP.

WTFAYTA, LMAN?

[LMan]

Originally Posted by mbyron

WTFAYTA, LMAN?

QED.

[JJ]

From my years of umping I have discovered that for all intents and purposes, at the time of a throw from an outfielder on a base hit, it is generally accepted (meaning, it's generally not argued) that a batter-runner has reached first base by the time the ball gets to an outfielder, the outfield picks the ball up, and the outfielder throws the ball. Yes, it's a great idea to watch when those events occur, but depending on the number of runners and the number of umpires, realistically it sometimes just isn't possible. Fukodome's throw with one runner, one batter-runner, and FOUR umpires proved the point.

JJ