Score the run

[Matt]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Well I guess that there are many of us that are doing it incorrectly including the former head of he PBUC and the instructors in the MLB schools. I really don't give a crap anymore!

Do you have any evidence that this is the case?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

I really don't give a crap anymore!

Originally Posted by Matt

Do you have any evidence that this is the case?

I will vouch for the fact that Ozzy doesn't give a crap anymore!

[Matt]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

I will vouch for the fact that Ozzy doesn't give a crap anymore!

That, my friend, falls under res ipsa loquitur.

[charliej47]

The only time I can remember an automatic out call is when the HS rules stated that the umpire will call the runner out for a missed base. I saw this happen one time where U1 called out the batter-runner for not touching first which caused runs to be taken off the board.

[bobbybanaduck]

had three AA guys over for dinner tonight after their game. posed this situation to them and all four of us agree that the inning is over upon the tag of R2 and the run scores. one of them thought about the 4th out thing at first, but then we talked about appeals and that this sit. isn't an appeal. after they came to their decision, i told them i was on the same page as them, but, that fitzy had ruled as stated on here a number of years ago. all disagreed with that ruling.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck

had three AA guys over for dinner tonight after their game. posed this situation to them and all four of us agree that the inning is over upon the tag of R2 and the run scores. one of them thought about the 4th out thing at first, but then we talked about appeals and that this sit. isn't an appeal. after they came to their decision, i told them i was on the same page as them, but, that fitzy had ruled as stated on here a number of years ago. all disagreed with that ruling.

That was my thinking as well. Did you mention bob j's point about BR failing to touch 1B on a walk-off single, and that play being appealable?

[bobbybanaduck]

Originally Posted by mbyron

That was my thinking as well. Did you mention bob j's point about BR failing to touch 1B on a walk-off single, and that play being appealable?

i didn't need to mention that, because that is not the issue. that is in the rules about ending a game. he is required to touch first in order to satisfy the requirements of ending the game. the b/r is not required to touch first to satisfy the requirements for ending an inning. the inning ends when the third out is recorded.

[umpjong]

Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck

had three AA guys over for dinner tonight after their game. posed this situation to them and all four of us agree that the inning is over upon the tag of R2 and the run scores. one of them thought about the 4th out thing at first, but then we talked about appeals and that this sit. isn't an appeal. after they came to their decision, i told them i was on the same page as them, but, that fitzy had ruled as stated on here a number of years ago. all disagreed with that ruling.

I would have to agree with your guys. Appeals are made on infractions that occur before the third out of an inning occurs. I would think that once the third out in an inning is made, you cannot commit an infraction since the inning is over. Runners cannot advance after the third out is made in an inning, so how can we penalize a runner for not advancing after the third out is made?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by umpjong

I would have to agree with your guys. Appeals are made on infractions that occur before the third out of an inning occurs.

That's not the correct reasoning. For one thing, the BR DID fail to reach 1B before the third out, so if that's an infraction it meets your criterion.

The issue is whether BR not advancing to 1B is an appeal play. It is not defined as such by the rules; however, bob jenkins points out a play where it is treated as an appeal play.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck

had three AA guys over for dinner tonight after their game. posed this situation to them and all four of us agree that the inning is over upon the tag of R2 and the run scores. one of them thought about the 4th out thing at first, but then we talked about appeals and that this sit. isn't an appeal. after they came to their decision, i told them i was on the same page as them, but, that fitzy had ruled as stated on here a number of years ago. all disagreed with that ruling.

They can disagree all they want, but they can't override the ruling.

[bobbybanaduck]

he's not the boss anymore.