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R3, R2, 2 outs. Ground ball to F5, R3 and R2 are going on contact. F5 gloves the ball, runs at and tags the hung out R2 for the 3RD out. R3 touches HP prior to the "tag" of R2. BR is 1/2 way to 1B "when the tag of R2 is made", BR kicks the dirt and heads towards his 3B dugout to fetch his glove and hat. F5 seeing BR stop, now throws to F3. F3 steps on 1B and appeals; "the BR did not advance and touch 1B". The advantageous 4th out is: "recognized by the umpires, as the 3RD out, on the BR, before he reached 1B, wipe off the run. |
Can't appeal abandonment.
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The BR has been appealed, this is the 4th out - no run scores. |
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It's still the advantageous 4th out. No run scores. |
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Somebody (J/R?) calls the BR leaving the baseline "desertion." |
Yep, that's J/R applying the term "desertion" for the B/R.
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The runner hasn't safely touched 1B before the 3rd out...no run. I don't understand the advantageous 4th out appeal here...that wouldn't be right would it?
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great situation to bring up on here.
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This might be a stupid question but what if BR keeps running and touches first base (either not realizing the third out has been made or whatever) after the tag on R2? Is the run still nullified because the touch was after the third out?
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well, you wouldn't have anything to appeal for the advantageous 4th out appeal. If BR reaches 1B, then, IMO you have a time play. Did the tag take place after R3 touched HP? If yes, count the run. If not, no run.
I still don't know if this sitch (OP) qualifies as an advantageous 4th out appeal. Since the 3rd out already happened, BR doesn't have an obligation to touch 1st does he? |
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Can a retired runner correct a baserunning error? Well, he can be appealed, and he's still on the field so it would seem unfair to not let him do so. But can you have an advantaqeous 4th out when the 3rd out was made by the same player? Would the batter be 0 for 2? (just kidding) I would let him correct the error. And I stand ready to be corrected. |
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In the OP the BR never bothered to complete his responsibility although he could have tried to do so before entering the dugout. :eek::eek::eek: You're right..... it's getting deep! |
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