Runner attempts to advance during dead ball

[UMP25]

Originally Posted by bluezebra

'Trigger-happy' my rosy red rump. It's unsportsmanlike at ANY level. Avoid the ejection because you have no cojones, but it's still a gross violation, no matter what YOU think.

Son, don't ever tell me I don't have cojones. I haven't gotten where I've gotten by being timid.

If you were the BU in this situation, and didn't have the guts to get rid of the runner and the coach, I would never work with you again.

Good, because I wouldn't want to work with someone who believes some big time ejection is the answer to everything or that mountains must be made out of mole hills. I handled it quite well, retained the respect of everyone involved, and avoided a bigger mess that two ejections would have caused. I have had my share of ejections over the years, and my first one this year might even have been classified as kind of quick, but in the OP's case, based simply on what he wrote, I wouldn't have ejected and would have still been respected.

I want partners who punish situations like this.

Then go work in a court or prison.

And think (if you can) about this. If you're the base ump, they just made a fool out of you.

Whatever you say from the comfort of your chair. In 30 years of umpiring I've never been made a fool and still command respect by my work ethic and performance.

[bluezebra]

Originally Posted by UMP25

Son, don't ever tell me I don't have cojones. I haven't gotten where I've gotten by being timid.



Good, because I wouldn't want to work with someone who believes some big time ejection is the answer to everything or that mountains must be made out of mole hills. I handled it quite well, retained the respect of everyone involved, and avoided a bigger mess that two ejections would have caused. I have had my share of ejections over the years, and my first one this year might even have been classified as kind of quick, but in the OP's case, based simply on what he wrote, I wouldn't have ejected and would have still been respected.



Then go work in a court or prison.



Whatever you say from the comfort of your chair. In 30 years of umpiring I've never been made a fool and still command respect by my work ethic and performance.

I had 44 years of umpiring. If someone pulled that stunt, and you didn't eject, you definitely were made a fool of. Just telling a coach and runner, "Don't do that", is not even a slap on the wrist. Cheating, and that's what it is, is cause for ejection.

"Son, don't ever tell me I don't have cojones. I haven't gotten where I've gotten by being timid."

Son? I probably started umpiring before you were born.


Bob

[bigwes68]

I appreciate everyone's responses. This pretty much confirms what I thought -- there's no specific rule to deal with this situation, mainly because it's so unbelievably bush-league that it just doesn't happen.

Just for further clarification, this happened Sunday in a Division I game. U3 had already ejected one player from the home bench earlier in the game who literally had not said a word but just happened to be the biggest guy standing there when a few others had been chirping about a close call at third.

(Even though there was no EJ and the runner in question eventually scored, I think karma took care of the offending team; they ended up blowing a six-run lead in the bottom of the 9th to lose 10-9.)

[UMP25]

Originally Posted by bluezebra

I had 44 years of umpiring. If someone pulled that stunt, and you didn't eject, you definitely were made a fool of.

OK, Smitty, whatever you say.

Just telling a coach and runner, "Don't do that", is not even a slap on the wrist.

First, I didn't say those three words. What I said in my situation was sufficient enough to resolve the problem without causing a schithouse of a mess and with me retaining the respect of both sides.

Cheating, and that's what it is, is cause for ejection.

When you next umpire on planet earth, perhaps you'll realize that players cheat all the time, and umpires don't always eject.