Time of Award

[bobbybanaduck]

it is covered in the rule book. when the throw gets lodged in the uniform it is dead. how did it get there? it was thrown. what is the award for a thrown ball that becomes dead? 2 bases time of throw unless it was the first play by an infielder, then it's 2 bases time of pitch. the fed people have their heads so far up their own arses creating all these TWP to put in their books it's ridiculous.

Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck

it is covered in the rule book. when the throw gets lodged in the uniform it is dead. how did it get there? it was thrown. what is the award for a thrown ball that becomes dead? 2 bases time of throw unless it was the first play by an infielder, then it's 2 bases time of pitch. the fed people have their heads so far up their own arses creating all these TWP to put in their books it's ridiculous.

Please cite specific reference in rule book that says a thrown ball lodging in a defensive player's uniform is dead at all? It's not covered in 5-1-5 or 5-1-2 and what is in 8-3-3c I think only could be reasonably interpreted to mean on the first play.

As I said earlier - a batter hits a short line drive. F8 dives, ball goes under glove to wall. F9 retireves ball throws to F4 who relays to F2 who catches BR between 3B and home. F2 throws to F5 and chases BR towards where pitcher is now waiting for throw from F5 instead, throw from F5 gets caught in F1's jersey. Do you really think an umpire is going to send the BR back to SECOND BASE???? I think not. The 08 CB has no examples remotely similar.

Part of the problem with FED rules is that sometimes the sentences run on and on so long it's difficult to sort out the real intention of the rule.

[dash_riprock]

Bobby's logic sounds good to me.

Two from the time of throw. Score him.

[umpjong]

Please cite specific reference in rule book that says a thrown ball lodging in a defensive player's uniform is dead at all?

8-3-3 c clearly states "two base award if a batted or thrown ball becomes dead because of bouncing over or passing through a fence, or lodges in a defensive players or umpires equipment or uniform.

So dead ball give him two bases from throw!!!

Originally Posted by umpjong

8-3-3 c clearly states "two base award if a batted or thrown ball becomes dead because of bouncing over or passing through a fence, or lodges in a defensive players or umpires equipment or uniform.

So dead ball give him two bases from throw!!!

I'm not disagreeing -but the above statement can be interpreted in different ways.

The problem with the above is that this is the only place in the rule book that that associates a lodged ball in a defensive players uniform and an immediate (or delayed) dead ball. It's not mentioned in the dead ball tables, other than a batted ball (5-1-1)

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by BigGuy

I'm not disagreeing -but the above statement can be interpreted in different ways.

The problem with the above is that this is the only place in the rule book that that associates a lodged ball in a defensive players uniform and an immediate (or delayed) dead ball. It's not mentioned in the dead ball tables, other than a batted ball (5-1-1)

Hmmmmm. Let me ponder.

Which has the affect of rule.....a rule or a table placed in the in the book for the convenience of the reader?

Should they disagree, which one should take precedence over the other?
Hmmmmmm.

Tough choice, but I'm going out on a limb here and taking the rule.

Originally Posted by GarthB

Hmmmmm. Let me ponder.

Which has the affect of rule.....a rule or a table placed in the in the book for the convenience of the reader?

Should they disagree, which one should take precedence over the other?
Hmmmmmm.

Tough choice, but I'm going out on a limb here and taking the rule.

Which rule would that be? The one that isn't written under dead ball rules or the one that appears to create a dead ball in the baserunning awards table.

There is a distinct conflict here. What about 10-2-3g? Maybe this is one of those times.