Umpires Authority

[RPatrino]

The coach's need to umpire Tball, they are on the field anyway. TBall does little to train young or inexperienced umpires anyway, so its basicall a waste of resources.

You must have a surplus of kids willing to umpire, which is a good problem to have.

[Rcichon]

You guys really Umpire T-Ball?

[mbyron]

Why not? They'll move up to coach pitch in 2 years.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Why not? They'll move up to coach pitch in 2 years.

You are joking, I take it? They actually move up to LL Minors after T-Ball.

[Mountaineer]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

You are joking, I take it? They actually move up to LL Minors after T-Ball.

You don't have coach pitch in between Tball and Minors?

[UmpLarryJohnson]

Originally Posted by Rcichon

You guys really Umpire T-Ball?

more improtant - what do ya pay???

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

You don't have coach pitch in between Tball and Minors?

No, after T-Ball they go straight to minors. 6-7 is T-Ball, 8-10 is typically Minors, 10-12 is typically Majors. No coach pitch in LL here.

In PONY Baseball, they have machine pitch at the two lowest levels, Shetland and Pinto. Modified OBR after Pinto.

I've never seen a coach throw a pitch in LL or PONY baseball, except in BP.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by coach2535

Umpires have authority from the moment they step on the field until they leave the property.

Basically this is all I needed, although all comments are appreciated and warranted. Sometimes, as in this case, people must be reminded that coaching is a priviledge. T-ball is extremely problematic, as every parent, and parent coach thinks there kid is the next Chipper Jones. As the most troublesome league, it is usually our youngest and most inexperienced umpires that get these assignments. Unfortunately some coaches will take advantage of this and attempt to intimidate these young umpires. This is where I step in, and trust me all, these guys have, and will continue to get booted.

For the love of the game.

Coach - you may have already figured this out, but T-Ball is most coaches and parents first exposure to organized sports for their kids. the only "role models" they have on how to behave come from watching MLB on TV and seeing managers rushing the field and kicking dirt on umpires. If that's how its done in the big leagues, its good for the T-ball league. My experience has been that as the kids start to get older and move up the league ranks, the parents and coaches behavior somewhat mellows.

[HokieUmp]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

No, after T-Ball they go straight to minors. 6-7 is T-Ball, 8-10 is typically Minors, 10-12 is typically Majors. No coach pitch in LL here.

In PONY Baseball, they have machine pitch at the two lowest levels, Shetland and Pinto. Modified OBR after Pinto.

I've never seen a coach throw a pitch in LL or PONY baseball, except in BP.

When I played LL in the early '70s, the 7-8 age was coach pitch, and what they call Minors and Majors now was one age group - 9 to 12 y.o. - and that was just called "Little League."

FWIW.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by HokieUmp

When I played LL in the early '70s, the 7-8 age was coach pitch, and what they call Minors and Majors now was one age group - 9 to 12 y.o. - and that was just called "Little League."

FWIW.

I don't know where you played, but I played LL in El Cajon, California in San Diego County, in 1965 and 1966. I remember that I wasn't eligible to play any baseball until I was at least 8 years old and be turning 9 by a certain date. Minors and Majors all had tryouts together. If you didn't make Majors they stuck you in Minors. My first year was Minors. We wore hats and these incredibly hot, heavy nylon jerseys and our blue jeans. We all had rubber cleated baseball shoes. You didn't get full unis until Majors.

My second year, I made Majors. That year, they opened up a new division called Caps League for 7 and 8 year olds, which later evolved into what we know today as T-Ball. This may have very well been "Coach Pitch," but I don't know because I never went over to watch their games.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

I don't know where you played, but I played LL in El Cajon, California in San Diego County, in 1965 and 1966.

We wore hats and these incredibly hot, heavy nylon jerseys and our blue jeans.

In 1965 and 1966 those heavy nylon jerseys weren't even in existence. Flannel perhaps, but not nylon. Players didn't start wearing those until into the early seventies. Why, because they weren't manufactured until then. They didn't even have the technology to heat press logos and numbers until the seventies.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

In 1965 and 1966 those heavy nylon jerseys weren't even in existence. Flannel perhaps, but not nylon. Players didn't start wearing those until into the early seventies. Why, because they weren't manufactured until then. They didn't even have the technology to heat press logos and numbers until the seventies.

I don't think you were there to say what we wore. They may not have been nylon (possibly Rayon), but they were certainly a synthetic fabric of some sort, not flannel. They were a shiny, rough, satiny fabric, very thick, and very warm. The team sponsor, always a local merchant, was iron-on patched on the front in a rectangle. Our numbers were iron-on as well. They were definitely not normal jerseys. I remember making Majors and loving the soft flannel jerseys and pants. They made us feel like real ball players finally.

[DG]

I believe the authority begins when you walk through a door or gate onto the playing area and ends after exiting the playing area. There are a number of requirements of the umpire in 3.01 that must be handled before the plate meeting. I have never tossed a coach while coming onto the field, but I would. I have tossed after the last pitch and before I left.

[DG]

Originally Posted by coach2535

Can a coach be ejected before a game starts, or after it ends?

Of course. The umpire should have umpire 101'd the guy before the game starts and there would be no problem at the end.

[HokieUmp]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

I don't know where you played, but I played LL in El Cajon, California in San Diego County, in 1965 and 1966. ..snip...

I played in Mt. Airy, Maryland, and it would have been about the years 1972-77. The 7-8 age group, now that my memory has been jogged, was called Minors there, and it was definitely a coach pitch. The 9-12 division might have been call Majors, but I don't remember that terminology being used.