Referee's Authority

Hoosier Daddy · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 05, 2001, 10:17pm

I was checking out the NFHS rule book the other day and came across a section I don't understand at all.

Rule 2.3 states:
"The referee shall make decisions on any points not specifically covered in the rules."

Can anyone think of a point or a situation that the referee would rule on that's not covered in the book? Thanks in advance.

BktBallRef · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 05, 2001, 11:36pm

Read this board long enough and somebody will post one.

mick · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 05, 2001, 11:57pm

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Originally posted by Hoosier Daddy
I was checking out the NFHS rule book the other day and came across a section I don't understand at all.

Rule 2.3 states:
"The referee shall make decisions on any points not specifically covered in the rules."

Can anyone think of a point or a situation that the referee would rule on that's not covered in the book? Thanks in advance.

U1: "Count it!"
U2: "Don't count it!"
Ref: $$$

$$$

Hoosier Daddy · #4 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 06, 2001, 12:16am

Mick-

Rule 2.5.3- Referee Duties - Decide whether a goal shall count if the officials agree. The point you covered is spefically outlined in the book. Can you think of a different one?

JRutledge · #5 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 06, 2001, 01:05am

Varsity Boys game. Number 1 team in the state visits one of the most difficult places to play in the state called "The Pit." The game is in the middle of the winter and the gym has a capacity of about 8,000. Well this night the gym is packed, but because the home management let too many people in the gym to watch this game, condinsation collects on the floor and makes it difficult for the players to not fall. The vent fans are frozen because it is so cold outside it does not regulate the temperture inside the gym and makes the floor like a hockey rink. After several minutes of delay, officials come together to discuss what to do. They cancel the game and do not try to continue because of the condition of the floor.

Ironically, about a half and hour after the game had been cancelled, the fans begin to work.

Now how long to the officials wait to cancel or continue the game? This is not in the rulebook.

This actually happen about 5 years ago to some friends of mine in a varsity game.

Peace

mick · #6 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 06, 2001, 07:05am

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Originally posted by Hoosier Daddy
Mick-

Rule 2.5.3- Referee Duties - Decide whether a goal shall count if the officials agree. The point you covered is spefically outlined in the book. Can you think of a different one?

Ump: Can we see that swoosh on her headband?
Ref: Nope.

Ump: Is the tape on her head okay?
Ref: What tape?

PP · #7 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 06, 2001, 10:46am

Here's one...A referee can give you a technical foul for thinking. Player A1 says to you after a so-so call against him/her...I think your an a......

Dan_ref · #8 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 06, 2001, 11:14am

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Originally posted by JRutledge
Varsity Boys game. Number 1 team in the state visits one of the most difficult places to play in the state called "The Pit." The game is in the middle of the winter and the gym has a capacity of about 8,000. Well this night the gym is packed, but because the home management let too many people in the gym to watch this game, condinsation collects on the floor and makes it difficult for the players to not fall. The vent fans are frozen because it is so cold outside it does not regulate the temperture inside the gym and makes the floor like a hockey rink. After several minutes of delay, officials come together to discuss what to do. They cancel the game and do not try to continue because of the condition of the floor.

Ironically, about a half and hour after the game had been cancelled, the fans begin to work.

Now how long to the officials wait to cancel or continue the game? This is not in the rulebook.

This actually happen about 5 years ago to some friends of mine in a varsity game.

Peace

Great story! Except as part of R's duties he's required to
inspect & approve all equipment including the court.
The court didn't meet his approval, send everyone home,
although I'll agree you might have something there with the
amount of time needed before the game gets cancelled.
How long did they wait anyway?

rgaudreau · #9 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 06, 2001, 11:18am

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Originally posted by PP
Here's one...A referee can give you a technical foul for thinking. Player A1 says to you after a so-so call against him/her...I think you're an a......

american referee???

You`d give him a Tech for that? Boy, you really are strict!

I know a ref here in town that almost T'd a parent in the stands for just THINKING that he was doing a bad job. He could see it in his eyes. Certainly, rule 2.3 could apply in that situation.

I can imagine the scenario....

Ref: Coach, it`s a tech against your team because of that parent in the stands.

Coach: What?!? What did he do?? What did he say??

Ref: He didn`t do or say anything. But I can tell what he`s thinking and it`s not pretty. He`s having all kinds of violent thoughts about me.

Coach: You`ve got to be kidding!

Ref: It`s rule 2.3 - Referee`s authority - look it up!

Coach: Are you out of your mind?

Ref: That will be another T coach. Please don`t think out loud.

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Ren

PP · #10 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 06, 2001, 11:58am

Actually the player ask another referee , not me, if he could get a technical foul for thinking. The referre replied ...no ? I guess..so then the player told the referee that he thought he was a a?????? and thereafter he got a flagrant technical foul..and bye bye..thinking player...Referee wins rule 2 section 3 ...don't think or you may get a technical foul ??!!

rgaudreau · #11 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 06, 2001, 12:01pm

Therein lies the difference between thinking and THINKING OUT LOUD.

Ren

JRutledge · #12 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 06, 2001, 02:23pm

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dan_ref

Quote:

Great story! Except as part of R's duties he's required to
inspect & approve all equipment including the court.
The court didn't meet his approval, send everyone home,
although I'll agree you might have something there with the
amount of time needed before the game gets cancelled.
How long did they wait anyway?

You are correct that the R has that decision, but if things change, there is nothing specifically covered in the rulebook that tells us how long to wait out an unusual situation like that. And I am not 100% sure (that could be a bad thing) if any type situation is covered in the rule or casebook on how to handle the situation.

Peace

Jurassic Referee · #13 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 06, 2001, 02:24pm

PP & rgaudreau,Rule 2-3 doesn't include technicals and crowd behavior.A flagrant technical such as you were talking about is covered in 10-3-8.Crowd behaviour is already covered under 2-8-1.Rule 2-3 doesn't apply to either as they are already covered in other sections.

JRutledge · #14 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 06, 2001, 02:25pm

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Originally posted by rgaudreau
Therein lies the difference between thinking and THINKING OUT LOUD.

Ren

Take thinking out of that phrase. This player did none of that.

Peace

Hoosier Daddy · #15 (**permalink**) Wed Nov 07, 2001, 01:00am

Here's an example, but from baseball. Randy Johnson threw a pitch this year that killed a bird. No where in either MLB rules or regs is pitches hitting and/or killing birds covered. Therefore, the UIC just had to do what he thought was fair. In this case a "do over."

The rule is there to cover unexpected situations which creep up on us. Hopefully no bird get killed by basketballs anytime soon!