Bunt

[flemmer]

I Thought I Read Somewhere On An Umpires Forum. In Ll Rules If The Batter Is Holding The Bat Showing A Bunt As The Pitcher Has Thrown The Ball And Its A Pitch Away From The Strike Zone And The Batter Made No Attempt To Pull Away Or An Attempt At The Ball, Then It Is Not A Strike. Yes I Was Confused. Is This Correct?

[GarthB]

OBR 2.00

A STRIKE is a legal pitch when so called by the umpire, which -

(a) Is struck at by the batter and is missed;
(b) Is not struck at, if any part of the ball passes through any part of the strike zone;
(c) Is fouled by the batter when he has less than two strikes;
(d) Is bunted foul;
(e) Touches the batter as he strikes at it;
(f) Touches the batter in flight in the strike zone; or
(g) Becomes a foul tip.

[Delaware Blue]

Originally Posted by flemmer

In Ll Rules...

If you read The Right Call, LL's so-called casebook, you'll see the same thing. The wording is not confusing at all. Simply squaring to bunt and holding the bat motionless over the plate is not an attempt to bunt, strike at, or hit the ball. If the pitch is outside the strike zone, it should be called a ball.

[LakeErieUmp]

It is correct. But capitalizing the first letter of every word is not correct. It is Difficult To Read.

[UmpLarryJohnson]

WOW hes been reading from my book!!

[aceholleran]

Originally Posted by flemmer

I Thought I Read Somewhere On An Umpires Forum. In Ll Rules If The Batter Is Holding The Bat Showing A Bunt As The Pitcher Has Thrown The Ball And Its A Pitch Away From The Strike Zone And The Batter Made No Attempt To Pull Away Or An Attempt At The Ball, Then It Is Not A Strike. Yes I Was Confused. Is This Correct?

WelcoMe tO oUR GRouP, fleMMer

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[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by UmpLarryJohnson

WOW hes been reading from my book!!

No, he hasn't learned how to randomly capitalize entire words yet.

[Don Mueller]

Originally Posted by flemmer

I Thought I Read Somewhere On An Umpires Forum. In Ll Rules If The Batter Is Holding The Bat Showing A Bunt As The Pitcher Has Thrown The Ball And Its A Pitch Away From The Strike Zone And The Batter Made No Attempt To Pull Away Or An Attempt At The Ball, Then It Is Not A Strike. Yes I Was Confused. Is This Correct?

As everyone has said, yes this is correct.

However, Be Aware, it is very difficult to hold the bat motionless while showing bunt.
From my perspective there is absolutely no reason for the batter to leave the bat out over the plate if he has no intention at striking the ball. If the batter is making no attempt at pulling the bat back on an apparent 'ball' then he better not twitch, lean or sway any direction but back or else I'm striking it.
In other words, if the batter shows zero attempt to pull back, I'll probably see an attempt.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Don Mueller

As everyone has said, yes this is correct.

However, Be Aware, it is very difficult to hold the bat motionless while showing bunt.
From my perspective there is absolutely no reason for the batter to leave the bat out over the plate if he has no intention at striking the ball. If the batter is making no attempt at pulling the bat back on an apparent 'ball' then he better not twitch, lean or sway any direction but back or else I'm striking it.
In other words, if the batter shows zero attempt to pull back, I'll probably see an attempt.

So, you don't like the ruling and are searching for a way to get around it.

[UmpLarryJohnson]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

No, he hasn't learned how to randomly capitalize entire words yet.

yes but least IM in rehab

[Don Mueller]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

So, you don't like the ruling and are searching for a way to get around it.

Whose ruling are you referring? I've made no judgements on others rulings realtive to bunts and strikes.

I said it is very difficult to remain motionless while showing bunt. The batters eyes are following the pitch and it's difficult for the body not to sway a bit towards the pitch. It's got nothing to do with the rule, I understand it and have no problem with it. My rulings(which I generally like) relative to this rule are judgement calls. If the batter is making any attempt at all to pull back then I know there is no intent to strike the ball. If the batter stays motionless there is apparently no intent. If there is ANY movement forward or toward the ball then I have intent.
All I'm saying is that I rarely see a batter who is too lazy to pull the bat back also be able to remain motionless.

[UmpLarryJohnson]

Originally Posted by Don Mueller

As everyone has said, yes this is correct.

However, Be Aware, it is very difficult to hold the bat motionless while showing bunt.
From my perspective there is absolutely no reason for the batter to leave the bat out over the plate if he has no intention at striking the ball. If the batter is making no attempt at pulling the bat back on an apparent 'ball' then he better not twitch, lean or sway any direction but back or else I'm striking it.
In other words, if the batter shows zero attempt to pull back, I'll probably see an attempt.

there you go mr Don--i like that approach get more strikes get closer to gameover time!

[UmpLarryJohnson]

Originally Posted by Tim C

" . . . there you go mr Don--i like that approach get more strikes get closer to gameover time!"

I certainly don't want to put words in anyone's mouth so:

uMPlaRRy, are you telling us you would rather get a game over more quickly than call a game by the rules?

Regards,

mr Tim sadly there doesnt seem tobe a sarcasm smiley i canuse if that tells you anything!

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by UmpLarryJohnson

mr Tim sadly there doesnt seem tobe a sarcasm smiley i canuse if that tells you anything!

Come on Larry, quit misspelling words on purpose and going from one extreme to the other with the capitals thing. I liked you better when you were capitalizing every other word. Here is the sarcasm smiley you need. Go advanced or quote someone and it is in the smilies:

[Don Mueller]

Originally Posted by Tim C

[BuMPlaRRy, are you telling us you would rather get a game over more quickly than call a game by the rules?

Regards,

Exactly which rule are you referring to that is not being followed?

Or are you just being a RAT and questioning judgement calls?

A RAT in umps clothing. I think that puts you well beyond smitty and troll