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flemmer Thu Aug 02, 2007 06:44pm

Bunt
 
I Thought I Read Somewhere On An Umpires Forum. In Ll Rules If The Batter Is Holding The Bat Showing A Bunt As The Pitcher Has Thrown The Ball And Its A Pitch Away From The Strike Zone And The Batter Made No Attempt To Pull Away Or An Attempt At The Ball, Then It Is Not A Strike. Yes I Was Confused. Is This Correct?

GarthB Thu Aug 02, 2007 06:51pm

OBR 2.00

A STRIKE is a legal pitch when so called by the umpire, which -

(a) Is struck at by the batter and is missed;
(b) Is not struck at, if any part of the ball passes through any part of the strike zone;
(c) Is fouled by the batter when he has less than two strikes;
(d) Is bunted foul;
(e) Touches the batter as he strikes at it;
(f) Touches the batter in flight in the strike zone; or
(g) Becomes a foul tip.

Delaware Blue Thu Aug 02, 2007 07:36pm

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Originally Posted by flemmer
In Ll Rules...

If you read The Right Call, LL's so-called casebook, you'll see the same thing. The wording is not confusing at all. Simply squaring to bunt and holding the bat motionless over the plate is not an attempt to bunt, strike at, or hit the ball. If the pitch is outside the strike zone, it should be called a ball.

LakeErieUmp Thu Aug 02, 2007 07:45pm

It is correct. But capitalizing the first letter of every word is not correct. It is Difficult To Read.

UmpLarryJohnson Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:41pm

WOW hes been reading from my book!!

aceholleran Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:44am

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Originally Posted by flemmer
I Thought I Read Somewhere On An Umpires Forum. In Ll Rules If The Batter Is Holding The Bat Showing A Bunt As The Pitcher Has Thrown The Ball And Its A Pitch Away From The Strike Zone And The Batter Made No Attempt To Pull Away Or An Attempt At The Ball, Then It Is Not A Strike. Yes I Was Confused. Is This Correct?

WelcoMe tO oUR GRouP, fleMMer

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SanDiegoSteve Fri Aug 03, 2007 01:07am

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Originally Posted by UmpLarryJohnson
WOW hes been reading from my book!!

No, he hasn't learned how to randomly capitalize entire words yet.:)

Don Mueller Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:00am

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Originally Posted by flemmer
I Thought I Read Somewhere On An Umpires Forum. In Ll Rules If The Batter Is Holding The Bat Showing A Bunt As The Pitcher Has Thrown The Ball And Its A Pitch Away From The Strike Zone And The Batter Made No Attempt To Pull Away Or An Attempt At The Ball, Then It Is Not A Strike. Yes I Was Confused. Is This Correct?

As everyone has said, yes this is correct.

However, Be Aware, it is very difficult to hold the bat motionless while showing bunt.
From my perspective there is absolutely no reason for the batter to leave the bat out over the plate if he has no intention at striking the ball. If the batter is making no attempt at pulling the bat back on an apparent 'ball' then he better not twitch, lean or sway any direction but back or else I'm striking it.
In other words, if the batter shows zero attempt to pull back, I'll probably see an attempt.

Rich Ives Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:09am

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Originally Posted by Don Mueller
As everyone has said, yes this is correct.

However, Be Aware, it is very difficult to hold the bat motionless while showing bunt.
From my perspective there is absolutely no reason for the batter to leave the bat out over the plate if he has no intention at striking the ball. If the batter is making no attempt at pulling the bat back on an apparent 'ball' then he better not twitch, lean or sway any direction but back or else I'm striking it.
In other words, if the batter shows zero attempt to pull back, I'll probably see an attempt.

So, you don't like the ruling and are searching for a way to get around it.

UmpLarryJohnson Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:32am

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
No, he hasn't learned how to randomly capitalize entire words yet.:)


yes but least IM in rehab :D

Don Mueller Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:37am

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Originally Posted by Rich Ives
So, you don't like the ruling and are searching for a way to get around it.

Whose ruling are you referring? I've made no judgements on others rulings realtive to bunts and strikes.

I said it is very difficult to remain motionless while showing bunt. The batters eyes are following the pitch and it's difficult for the body not to sway a bit towards the pitch. It's got nothing to do with the rule, I understand it and have no problem with it. My rulings(which I generally like) relative to this rule are judgement calls. If the batter is making any attempt at all to pull back then I know there is no intent to strike the ball. If the batter stays motionless there is apparently no intent. If there is ANY movement forward or toward the ball then I have intent.
All I'm saying is that I rarely see a batter who is too lazy to pull the bat back also be able to remain motionless.

UmpLarryJohnson Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:25pm

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Originally Posted by Don Mueller
As everyone has said, yes this is correct.

However, Be Aware, it is very difficult to hold the bat motionless while showing bunt.
From my perspective there is absolutely no reason for the batter to leave the bat out over the plate if he has no intention at striking the ball. If the batter is making no attempt at pulling the bat back on an apparent 'ball' then he better not twitch, lean or sway any direction but back or else I'm striking it.
In other words, if the batter shows zero attempt to pull back, I'll probably see an attempt.

there you go mr Don--i like that approach get more strikes get closer to gameover time!

UmpLarryJohnson Fri Aug 03, 2007 01:26pm

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Originally Posted by Tim C
" . . . there you go mr Don--i like that approach get more strikes get closer to gameover time!"

I certainly don't want to put words in anyone's mouth so:

uMPlaRRy, are you telling us you would rather get a game over more quickly than call a game by the rules?

Regards,

mr Tim sadly there doesnt seem tobe a sarcasm smiley i canuse if that tells you anything!

SanDiegoSteve Fri Aug 03, 2007 01:33pm

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Originally Posted by UmpLarryJohnson
mr Tim sadly there doesnt seem tobe a sarcasm smiley i canuse if that tells you anything!

Come on Larry, quit misspelling words on purpose and going from one extreme to the other with the capitals thing. I liked you better when you were capitalizing every other word. Here is the sarcasm smiley you need. Go advanced or quote someone and it is in the smilies::rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Don Mueller Fri Aug 03, 2007 01:53pm

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Originally Posted by Tim C
[BuMPlaRRy, are you telling us you would rather get a game over more quickly than call a game by the rules?

Regards,

Exactly which rule are you referring to that is not being followed?

Or are you just being a RAT and questioning judgement calls?

A RAT in umps clothing. I think that puts you well beyond smitty and troll


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