Bunt

[Don Mueller]

Originally Posted by flemmer

I Thought I Read Somewhere On An Umpires Forum. In Ll Rules If The Batter Is Holding The Bat Showing A Bunt As The Pitcher Has Thrown The Ball And Its A Pitch Away From The Strike Zone And The Batter Made No Attempt To Pull Away Or An Attempt At The Ball, Then It Is Not A Strike. Yes I Was Confused. Is This Correct?

As everyone has said, yes this is correct.

However, Be Aware, it is very difficult to hold the bat motionless while showing bunt.
From my perspective there is absolutely no reason for the batter to leave the bat out over the plate if he has no intention at striking the ball. If the batter is making no attempt at pulling the bat back on an apparent 'ball' then he better not twitch, lean or sway any direction but back or else I'm striking it.
In other words, if the batter shows zero attempt to pull back, I'll probably see an attempt.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Don Mueller

As everyone has said, yes this is correct.

However, Be Aware, it is very difficult to hold the bat motionless while showing bunt.
From my perspective there is absolutely no reason for the batter to leave the bat out over the plate if he has no intention at striking the ball. If the batter is making no attempt at pulling the bat back on an apparent 'ball' then he better not twitch, lean or sway any direction but back or else I'm striking it.
In other words, if the batter shows zero attempt to pull back, I'll probably see an attempt.

So, you don't like the ruling and are searching for a way to get around it.

[Don Mueller]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

So, you don't like the ruling and are searching for a way to get around it.

Whose ruling are you referring? I've made no judgements on others rulings realtive to bunts and strikes.

I said it is very difficult to remain motionless while showing bunt. The batters eyes are following the pitch and it's difficult for the body not to sway a bit towards the pitch. It's got nothing to do with the rule, I understand it and have no problem with it. My rulings(which I generally like) relative to this rule are judgement calls. If the batter is making any attempt at all to pull back then I know there is no intent to strike the ball. If the batter stays motionless there is apparently no intent. If there is ANY movement forward or toward the ball then I have intent.
All I'm saying is that I rarely see a batter who is too lazy to pull the bat back also be able to remain motionless.

[UmpLarryJohnson]

Originally Posted by Don Mueller

As everyone has said, yes this is correct.

However, Be Aware, it is very difficult to hold the bat motionless while showing bunt.
From my perspective there is absolutely no reason for the batter to leave the bat out over the plate if he has no intention at striking the ball. If the batter is making no attempt at pulling the bat back on an apparent 'ball' then he better not twitch, lean or sway any direction but back or else I'm striking it.
In other words, if the batter shows zero attempt to pull back, I'll probably see an attempt.

there you go mr Don--i like that approach get more strikes get closer to gameover time!

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by Don Mueller

Be Aware, it is very difficult to hold the bat motionless while showing bunt. From my perspective there is absolutely no reason for the batter to leave the bat out over the plate if he has no intention at striking the ball. If the batter is making no attempt at pulling the bat back on an apparent 'ball' then he better not twitch, lean or sway any direction but back or else I'm striking it.
In other words, if the batter shows zero attempt to pull back, I'll probably see an attempt.

I'm on with this interp. Placing the bat over the plate..

1) Trying to adjust the D (as in feint and hit) - good baseball.
2) Trying to distract F1/F2 - guess who else gets distracted, PU, you think this is good?

If you have your bat anywhere the pitch when it comes in, Steeeeeerikorino.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by fitump56

I'm on with this interp. Placing the bat over the plate..

1) Trying to adjust the D (as in feint and hit) - good baseball.
2) Trying to distract F1/F2 - guess who else gets distracted, PU, you think this is good?

If you have your bat anywhere the pitch when it comes in, Steeeeeerikorino.

Well, since the bat can't disappear, it must be "anywhere". So, every pitch is a strike. I like it. Of course, we'll have to think of a name to call this game, because "baseball" is already taken.

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by fitump56
I'm on with this interp. Placing the bat over the plate..

1) Trying to adjust the D (as in feint and hit) - good baseball.
2) Trying to distract F1/F2 - guess who else gets distracted, PU, you think this is good?

If you have your bat anywhere near the pitch when it comes in, Steeeeeerikorino.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Well, since the bat can't disappear, it must be "anywhere". So, every pitch is a strike. I like it. Of course, we'll have to think of a name to call this game, because "baseball" is already taken.

Go to bed. Surely you have better things to do than nitpik my posts.

[UMP25]

Originally Posted by fitump56

Go to bed. Surely you have better things to do than nitpik my posts.

OK, I'm still up. I'll just finish where Bob left off.

BTW, how far (close?) is "anywhere near"? If the bat is 6" away, do we strike the pitch? So 2.00 definition of a strike is moot here?

Wow! My games are all gonna be less than hour now with this and Mueller's Rules of Unofficial "Baseball!"

[SanDiegoSteve]

For those who side with Fittysix and Mueller, remember this: A pitch that is not struck at and not in the strike zone is a ball.

That is all you need to remember.

[UMP25]

Silly, Steve, you're forgetting that that is correct in OBR and not UOBR, hich seems to be the code f56 and Mueller are following.

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

For those who side with Fittysix and Mueller, remember this: A pitch that is not struck at and not in the strike zone is a ball.

Excellent. I got one of those things too.

"AN IDIOT WHO LEAVES HIS BAT TO BUNT at our near the plate IS ASSUMED TO BE STRIKING THE BASEBALL ....

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by Don Mueller

In other words, if the batter shows zero attempt to pull back, I'll probably see an attempt.

In other words, if the batter follows the rules, you won't.

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

In other words, if the batter follows the rules, you won't.

When every batter does, he will.

Your turn.