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Old Sat Jul 14, 2007, 11:34pm
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3 man crew, FED playoffs, R2, 1 out. Fly ball to CF and caught. R2 tags up and takes third after the catch. Where are the umpires before the pitch, where do they go during the play and who is watching what?

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Old Sat Jul 14, 2007, 11:43pm
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3 man crew, FED playoffs, R2, 1 out. Fly ball to CF and caught. R2 tags up and takes third after the catch. Where are the umpires before the pitch, where do they go during the play and who is watching what?

Thanks in advance.
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Old Sat Jul 14, 2007, 11:49pm
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3 man crew, FED playoffs, R2, 1 out. Fly ball to CF and caught. R2 tags up and takes third after the catch. Where are the umpires before the pitch, where do they go during the play and who is watching what?

Thanks in advance.

We have U1, U3 and PU, for the purposes of this play. Pre pitch alignment with a R2 is, U1 is in B and U3 is in D. The catch/no catch is divided with U3 taking the LF moving in, back or toward the LF line, U1 taking the "V" and PU taking the RF moving toward the RF line (this is roughly a 20/70/10 split of the field). The fly to CF is U1's call, he has responsbilility for the tagup as well so he must line up the catch and tag within the working area. U3 has R2 into 3rd.

PU in this case pretty much observes the action.
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We have U1, U3 and PU, for the purposes of this play. Pre pitch alignment with a R2 is, U1 is in B and U3 is in D. The catch/no catch is divided with U3 taking the LF moving in, back or toward the LF line, U1 taking the "V" and PU taking the RF moving toward the RF line (this is roughly a 20/70/10 split of the field). The fly to CF is U1's call, he has responsbilility for the tagup as well so he must line up the catch and tag within the working area. U3 has R2 into 3rd.

PU in this case pretty much observes the action.

Thanks, Pattie, this is why 3 Man is a st00pid option for FED; it's more about looking keen and adding another ump to the payroll than getting calls right.
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I'll tell you what is REALLY idiotic is 4 man on the 60' field. We used 2 man in the playoff for the preliminary rounds and 3 man for quarter and semi's and 4 man for final games.

I believe it was in 2005 that the NCAA changed their mechanics to allow the inside umpire to go out on trouble balls. That one change alone made 3 man worth it, because the only advantage 3 man has over 2 man is the ability to have an umpire go out on every trouble ball.
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Old Sun Jul 15, 2007, 12:19am
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... because the only advantage 3 man has over 2 man is the ability to have an umpire go out on every trouble ball.
Your appreciation and understanding of three man appears, by this statement, to be limited.
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I will amend my statement to...'one' of the advantages of 3 man vs. 2 man is the ability to have an umpire go out on trouble balls.
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Old Sun Jul 15, 2007, 01:22am
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Your appreciation and understanding of three man appears, by this statement, to be limited.
So you call 3 Man all the time? 3 Man is an academic study for the rest of us, I bow to your consistent use of 3 Man. Please enlighten.
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In my golden years, I am doing pretty much all LL 60-foot games.

[Waiting for sniggering]

We do 3-man for all local final games and state games. It works just fine.

In addition to letting a BU go out for trouble catches (there are plenty), you also have coverage on the frequent play where R2 will try to advance after throw to F3 on an infield grounder. U1 can take the rock and U3 is ready for play at 3B, whilst PU can stay home, waiting for the inevitable error.

On the real diamond, 3-man has definite advantages in double-steal situations, iffy bunts where defense may try to put out an exisiting runner, base touches, delayed obsructions, tag-ups, pickles, hmmmm.

I could go on. So far, in Garth's corner.

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Old Sun Jul 15, 2007, 04:48pm
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Thanks, Pattie, this is why 3 Man is a st00pid option for FED; it's more about looking keen and adding another ump to the payroll than getting calls right.
Please explain why you think this is "stupid." It's the same mechanic for CCA and OBR (with perhaps some variants on whether the umpire in the middle has the "big V" or the "little V").
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Old Sun Jul 15, 2007, 06:52pm
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Thanks, Pattie, this is why 3 Man is a st00pid option for FED; it's more about looking keen and adding another ump to the payroll than getting calls right.
That is, quite possibly, the stupidest post I've ever read on this board.
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Old Sun Jul 15, 2007, 07:11pm
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That is, quite possibly, the stupidest post I've ever read on this board.
Sounds like a challenge. And undoubtedly, someone will take it on.
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That is, quite possibly, the stupidest post I've ever read on this board.

If you want to read stupid, go the the Basketball Forum and read anything that Old School writes.

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Old Sun Jul 15, 2007, 09:47pm
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Hmmm,

That is why I always say:

"This ties for the dumbest post ever made on the internet."

Currently Donavan has six of those.

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Old Sun Jul 15, 2007, 10:36pm
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Thanks, Pattie, this is why 3 Man is a st00pid option for FED; it's more about looking keen and adding another ump to the payroll than getting calls right.
3 man is 50% better coverage than 2 man, and significantly easier than 2 man.

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