Pull the trigger?

I was working the bases at a freshman game this evening. In the bottom of the first inning, there was a banger at first. I called the runner out, much to the dismay of the home crowd, but the inning was over. I began my walk to shallow right field. As I'm walking, I see the home team manager turn to address the spectators sitting behind his bench. He asks the crowd (loudly enough for me to hear in shallow right): "Is there anyone here besides ths umpire who thinks he was out?"

I didn't think this warranted an ejection at the time, but the more I think about it, the more I don't like that he addressed the spectators. The rule that immediately came to mind is OBR 4.06(a): "No manager/player shall incite, or try to incite, by word or sign a demonstration from the spectators." The penalty here is removal from the game.

Did I miss this one in this situation?

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by LeftyRef

I was working the bases at a freshman game this evening. In the bottom of the first inning, there was a banger at first. I called the runner out, much to the dismay of the home crowd, but the inning was over. I began my walk to shallow right field. As I'm walking, I see the home team manager turn to address the spectators sitting behind his bench. He asks the crowd (loudly enough for me to hear in shallow right): "Is there anyone here besides ths umpire who thinks he was out?"

I didn't think this warranted an ejection at the time, but the more I think about it, the more I don't like that he addressed the spectators. The rule that immediately came to mind is OBR 4.06(a): "No manager/player shall incite, or try to incite, by word or sign a demonstration from the spectators." The penalty here is removal from the game.

Did I miss this one in this situation?

Let me respond in this fashion:

I was working a JUCO game in which the third base coach (not the skipper) grabbed a runner who was getting too big of a lead and pushed him back to third just before a pick-off attempt.

I called interference on the coach.

He then turned to the crowd and announced, loudly, "Oh great. What we have here is an umpire who thinks he's more important than the game."

He left the facility seconds later.

[kylejt]

Originally Posted by LeftyRef

... the home team manager turn to address the spectators sitting behind his bench.


Did I miss this one in this situation?

No, your partner did. He should have your back on this one.

[David B]

Originally Posted by LeftyRef

I was working the bases at a freshman game this evening. In the bottom of the first inning, there was a banger at first. I called the runner out, much to the dismay of the home crowd, but the inning was over. I began my walk to shallow right field. As I'm walking, I see the home team manager turn to address the spectators sitting behind his bench. He asks the crowd (loudly enough for me to hear in shallow right): "Is there anyone here besides ths umpire who thinks he was out?"

I didn't think this warranted an ejection at the time, but the more I think about it, the more I don't like that he addressed the spectators. The rule that immediately came to mind is OBR 4.06(a): "No manager/player shall incite, or try to incite, by word or sign a demonstration from the spectators." The penalty here is removal from the game.

Did I miss this one in this situation?

I wouldn't say you missed anything. You're where you are supposed to be, coach though is walking a tight rope.

Upon hearing this type of comment though, he's on a very short leash the rest of the night.

Now, if you are PU and you had made a call and he's questioning that might be different, but you're in RF.

Make a call from there and everyone will tag you as 'rabbit ears.'

The best thing I've learned from 27+ years if how to make coaches mad when I ignore them. Took a long time to learn, but is priceless now.

Thanks
David

[greymule]

I wonder whether these coaches are aware how "bush" they look to people who know baseball. By such behavior, they are announcing to the world that they are merely dilettantes in the game. Nobody who spent a lot of time on ballfields would ever address the crowd in such a whiney, school-lunchroom-monitor fashion.

They also tip us off that they are pure dabblers when they question rules that are common knowledge even on the sandlot. We don't expect coaches to be experts, but when you hear, "Johnny forgot and missed his at bat, so can he bat now to make up for it?" or "He's out, ump. He threw the bat!" you can't help saying to yourself, "This clown never played ball."

Originally Posted by David B

I wouldn't say you missed anything. You're where you are supposed to be, coach though is walking a tight rope.

Upon hearing this type of comment though, he's on a very short leash the rest of the night.

Now, if you are PU and you had made a call and he's questioning that might be different, but you're in RF.

Make a call from there and everyone will tag you as 'rabbit ears.'

The best thing I've learned from 27+ years if how to make coaches mad when I ignore them. Took a long time to learn, but is priceless now.

Thanks
David

So essentially, what you are saying is that you are another one of those guys that won't eject in obvious ejection situations?

[David B]

Originally Posted by rei

So essentially, what you are saying is that you are another one of those guys that won't eject in obvious ejection situations?

Edited to add: This is a freshman game - not varsity and I expect the coaches to be stupid.

Not even close. This is not an ejection situation. I'm in right field, what the coach wants to tell the fans is his business.

But it is noted, and if a "so called" coach is that stupid, he'll pay the price sooner or later.

See, the coach won't just stop their. He'll say something else later and then everyone will know why he's ejected.

In this situation, for an umpire to come from his spot in RF and eject a coach by the dugout is simply poor game management.

That tells everyone, I can't take it and I'm going to "get this coach".

But by ignoring him and then waiting for the right opportunity, it gives me the upper hand.

Like I said earlier, I guess I just have the reputation and experience to get away with it, what a coach tells me from afar don't affect me.

But it is always "noted".

Thanks
David

Originally Posted by David B

Edited to add: This is a freshman game - not varsity and I expect the coaches to be stupid.

Not even close. This is not an ejection situation. I'm in right field, what the coach wants to tell the fans is his business.

But it is noted, and if a "so called" coach is that stupid, he'll pay the price sooner or later.

See, the coach won't just stop their. He'll say something else later and then everyone will know why he's ejected.

In this situation, for an umpire to come from his spot in RF and eject a coach by the dugout is simply poor game management.

That tells everyone, I can't take it and I'm going to "get this coach".

But by ignoring him and then waiting for the right opportunity, it gives me the upper hand.

Like I said earlier, I guess I just have the reputation and experience to get away with it, what a coach tells me from afar don't affect me.

But it is always "noted".

Thanks
David

I'm with David on this one. Sometimes if you act like you have no clue about what was said, they will keep it up and eventually help themselves out of the game.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by BigGuy

I'm with David on this one. Sometimes if you act like you have no clue about what was said, they will keep it up and eventually help themselves out of the game.

David ... there can be no clearer indication that you are wrong than this.

To all - this is a no-brainer automatic ejection. Those proposing saving up your ejection for later are only making life harder for your brethren. There are some situations where ejection is borderline, and I tend to fall on the side of not ejecting and issuing some sort of "That's enough, coach" on most of those. This one is hands-down 100% ejection, no matter what else has occurred in the past. If you don't eject for this ... I find it hard to imagine how far a coach has to go to be shown the door in your game. I would even say that inciting the crowd against you is WORSE than being simply profane and personal to your face.

[umpduck11]

Originally Posted by David B

Edited to add: This is a freshman game - not varsity and I expect the coaches to be stupid.




Thanks
David

Not THAT stupid....

[Arnold A.]

Originally Posted by LeftyRef

I was working the bases at a freshman game this evening. In the bottom of the first inning, there was a banger at first. I called the runner out, much to the dismay of the home crowd, but the inning was over. I began my walk to shallow right field. As I'm walking, I see the home team manager turn to address the spectators sitting behind his bench. He asks the crowd (loudly enough for me to hear in shallow right): "Is there anyone here besides ths umpire who thinks he was out?"

I didn't think this warranted an ejection at the time, but the more I think about it, the more I don't like that he addressed the spectators. The rule that immediately came to mind is OBR 4.06(a): "No manager/player shall incite, or try to incite, by word or sign a demonstration from the spectators." The penalty here is removal from the game.


Did I miss this one in this situation?

Gee, what would I have done?

As described, I believe he wanted the rest of the night off, and I would have obliged him.

[Huskerblue]

Dump him quick.

[mcrowder]

Short leash? He!! no. This is an immediate dump, every time, no hesitation. He's practically begging you to toss him. And if you didn't, and I was PU, I would have.

[David B]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

Short leash? He!! no. This is an immediate dump, every time, no hesitation. He's practically begging you to toss him. And if you didn't, and I was PU, I would have.

Exactly, its the PU's job to handle the dugouts.

I'm not coming out of RF to eject a coach in a freshman game.

But in the situation described, he was the BU, not the PU!

Thanks
David

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by David B

Exactly, its the PU's job to handle the dugouts.

I'm not coming out of RF to eject a coach in a freshman game.

But in the situation described, he was the BU, not the PU!

Thanks
David

You misunderstand me. This is BU's ejection. But if he fails to assist the manager in his desire to be dumped, I'd be right there.