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Missed Third Strike & Abandonment
Situation: R3, 1 Out. Left handed batter swings and misses third strike, catcher misses the ball and the ball go to the backstop. I make the call, "Strike Three, no catch".
R3 is stealing home on the play, the batter, rather then running for first takes about 5 or 6 steps backwards towards the dugout and watches the play at the plate. After a second or two he finally realizes he is able to steal first and then runs safely to first. There is no "home plate circle". Once the play ends the defensive manager questions why the batter wasn't automatically out because he had no intention of running to first immediately after the thrid strike and in fact had backed towards his dugout so this should be interpreted as abandonement. I said that I didn't see the batter as abandoning the stealing apportunity but rather was vacating home plate area and then realized he was entitled to steal first. With no home plate circle, did I make the right call or should the batter have been out. |
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OBR, its now 'dirt circle.' In your case I'd say this was a judgment call on your part, since there was no circle marked.
FED, the batter's still OK until he enters the dugout/DBT. Why didn't F2 throw to 1B when the batter eventually started that way? And, ST is right. You can't steal first. Unless it's not bolted down. |
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I beg to differ on the "no catch". Remember, it's not whether the catcher caught the pitch - it's whether the umpire judged he did. How's anyone supposed to know if the umpire doesn't tell them. Since the Eddings fiasco in the ALCS, the "no catch" verbalization is being taught. JM
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The issue with the ALCS debacle is whether or not Eddings actually called Pierzynski "OUT" he appeared to give the "out" signal but then later on says no. There is no way whatsoever that he could be sure the ball was caught. The Angels catcher screwed up by not tagging just to make sure. Everybody assumed something. We all know where that gets us. I think Pierzynski also reacted to the fact there was NO CALL. All this means is that he reacted the way he was supposed to. Whatever you want to call it it was still smart baserunning on his part. |
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Everyone is right, I probably didn't have to say the no catch with the ball being at the backstop. But with the age of the players I felt it necessary for both the defense and offense to remind them of the situation.(12-13 year olds playing their first or second game of the year)
I always thought that the dropped third strike was to be treated like a missed base while baserunning. Something we take note of but don't verbalize. However, I thought the thinking had changed on that situation because of the MLB incident of a couple of years ago. Does anyone have any authoritative sources which mandate either verbalizing or non-verbalizing this situation?? |
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As far as calling 'batters out' when he cannot advance, I dont have a choice - our state manual specifies that we will do this. So we do. |
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