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Old Mon Apr 30, 2007, 02:52pm
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This is a very bizarre occurance. Ed Montegue, an MLB umpire, does not know the time play. Why an umpire at that level would not know such an elementary rule is beyond me.

There is a second rule that Ed Montegue is unaware of. You cannot change a judgement call after another pitch is made. To wait more than 2 innings to change a call is unacceptable.

I know I shouldn't be dissing a fellow official, but this is just not acceptable.
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Old Mon Apr 30, 2007, 03:38pm
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This is a very bizarre occurance. Ed Montegue, an MLB umpire, does not know the time play. Why an umpire at that level would not know such an elementary rule is beyond me.

There is a second rule that Ed Montegue is unaware of. You cannot change a judgement call after another pitch is made. To wait more than 2 innings to change a call is unacceptable.
Make up your mind. Was it a rule application, or a judgment call?
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Old Mon Apr 30, 2007, 04:33pm
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Make up your mind. Was it a rule application, or a judgment call?
Don't feed the CDump.
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Old Mon Apr 30, 2007, 09:04pm
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GarthB,Mcrowder

My bad, it was a rules interpretation. Same deal though, they should nip it in the bud rather than waiting 3 innings to change it and add a run to the score.

Mcrowder, I would prefer if you didn't insult me.
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Old Mon Apr 30, 2007, 11:09pm
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From a rulebook

I find it hard to believe that the run was wiped off the board.
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Originally Posted by Rule 2.00
A FORCE PLAY is a play in which a runner legally loses his right to occupy a base by reason of the batter becoming a runner.

Example: Not a force out. One out. Runner on first and third. Batter flies out. Two out. Runner on third tags up and scores. Runner on first tries to retouch before throw from fielder reaches first baseman, but does not get back in time and is out. Three outs. If, in umpire’s judgment, the runner from third touched home before the ball was held at first base, the run counts.
Something must have been said that we have all missed.
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Old Mon Apr 30, 2007, 11:18pm
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Occam's razor. The simplest explanation is the right explanation.

They screwed up. They admitted it. They had a "brain cramp."
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Old Mon Apr 30, 2007, 11:43pm
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I will play commissioner for a moment.

A manager cannot protest an alleged misapplication of a rule after a subsequent pitch or play. The protest was made after the "correction" of a misapplication of a rule in an earlier inning. This "correction" may be allowed under 9.01c (yes, I know many here don't believe in 9.01c since all things should be covered, but apparently not). The disputed correction may be allowed under 9.01C, the original ruling is ruled incorrect, the affect did not significantly affect the protesting team's opportunity to win the game so protest is denied.
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