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Old Thu Dec 06, 2001, 03:46pm
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Pete, for the first time I scheduled 40 umpires working at 4 colleges this fall. What an eye-opening experience.

The work of an assigner is totally UNDER-RATED! As an assigner it is my job to deal with schedule changes from the coaches and unexpected weather which are mostly uncontrolable. Believe me this is no small feat by itself.

There was nothing more frustrating for me than when an umpire who said he was available (I did not hold a gun to his head) then for whatever reason they turned back the game (there were many reasons...all of which I did not want to hear). In my opinion you only turn back games in an EMERGENCY which if we are fortunate should only occur once a year.

The next thing I realized is that as an assigner I want to make as few calls as possible, especially regarding turnbacks. I have a REAL job which requires full time effort to pay the bills, etc. For what little an assigner gets paid it should not have to impact my REAL work or time with my family. When I got a turnback during the day I wanted to find a home for it quickly so I could get back to my REAL job. Also, when the phone rang at 7pm and I had to find someone to work a turnback I would have to be away from my REAL family unnecessarily.

Therefore those umpires who showed no likelihood of turning back their games, were easily accessable via phone or email were generally at the top of my list regardless of ability.

Good luck to you!
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Old Thu Dec 06, 2001, 04:36pm
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I can only comment as it relates to the association(s) that I have been affiliated with.
None of these associations have fullfilled their obligations to its members.
For example - Association(s) being devoid of information pertaining to sports officials mandated by state law. The timeliness; and, accuracy of information disseminated. i.e. advising members that certain league playing rules were still in effect, when in fact the rules had been changed; and, not aware of other rules updates. Advising members of uniform changes, which were not acccurate. Instructing members on rules inapproprate for a particular league, i.e. the use of certain OBR or Fed rules in Babe Ruth or Little League, etc!
Incompetence abounds at many levels!


My grandpappy said to me many years ago:
"Sonny!"
He used to like to call me Sonny, much as I disliked it.
"Sonny" he'd say,
"if you are smart, you won't ever walk to close behind the cows when you bring them home..."
"and another thing Sonny",
ya see that Bull, over yonder?"
"well, he can see you too!"

and by the way - I rarely have a night from April through August that I do not have an assignment, and complete it! What I get is what I work, one game is as important as the next.....
I do have a "lot" of respect for the assignors, and give them all the assistance I can give!

[Edited by Rog on Dec 6th, 2001 at 03:41 PM]
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Old Thu Dec 06, 2001, 04:41pm
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Originally posted by Jim Porter

I think Pete was talking about an essay I wrote on a free board. I don't recall writing an article at eUmpire about relaxed versus unrelaxed actions. I could be wrong.

Jim if memory serves, you wrote that essay on the URC about a year ago or so. I tried to do a search and retrieve it, but because of the size of the data base the threads expire automatically in six months.

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Old Thu Dec 06, 2001, 04:50pm
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Jim if memory serves, you wrote that essay on the URC about a year ago or so. I tried to do a search and retrieve it, but because of the size of the data base the threads expire automatically in six months.

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Old Thu Dec 06, 2001, 05:19pm
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Quote:
Originally posted by PeteBooth

Jim if memory serves, you wrote that essay on the URC about a year ago or so. I tried to do a search and retrieve it, but because of the size of the data base the threads expire automatically in six months.

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Hmmmm, I'm confused. Pete was talking about umpire.org, not eUmpire.com. As far as I know, every article ever published is still available to any paying member.

Please clarify.
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Old Thu Dec 06, 2001, 06:00pm
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yo, devilsadvocate - me tink ya got caughtz up in that one.
Jim's right!
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Old Thu Dec 06, 2001, 06:31pm
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Quote:
Originally posted by PeteBooth

Jim if memory serves, you wrote that essay on the URC about a year ago or so. I tried to do a search and retrieve it, but because of the size of the data base the threads expire automatically in six months.

Pete Booth
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Gosh, DA, I mean one of the LTA's: Let me pile it on. I was going to say that, much like always, you don't know what you're talking about.

But Jim Porter's "I'm confused" is deliciously sarcastic and will serve everyone much better.

It's a shame you're not a member at eUmpire.com, and you wouldn't be so embarrassed.

ROTFLMAO.
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Old Thu Dec 06, 2001, 09:27pm
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To Pete, Jim, Carl, Rog:
Well, everyone has a "rank miss" every now and then.
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Old Thu Dec 06, 2001, 10:42pm
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we'll just let that be, our little secret. Since I can bearly get this out, from choking on my last piece of crow!
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Old Fri Dec 07, 2001, 12:01pm
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Talking You need to read EUMPIRE

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Originally posted by Jim Porter
Originally posted by PeteBooth

Jim, the point I'm getting at with all of this is: I am not going to cause my assignor any inconvenience concerning things under my direct control It's not like I'm calling up the assignor and saying "Hey Joe I can't do the game for you tomorrow because a bunch of us are going to the track".

Family and work problems are sometimes out of my control and if you are asking me to choose a game assignment over Family and work well that IMO makes me flabbergasted.

I am in 2 associations. I am thinking of dropping one this year. One association gives me the flexibility I need. For every game I turn back I give them another in return. In other words, I work with them and they work with me.

The other association I belong to runs like yours does. If you don't give them a week's notice, you get a black mark next to your name.

Pete Booth
Pete;

If I may make a shameless promotion of my articles,

You need to read my multipart series on eumpire entitled:

What does an assignor want?

It lists eight items that an assignor is looking for when he gives away a good game. It list those items in the order of importance to an assignor. The first three and one half items have nothing to do with umpiring and everything to do with being a good employee.

It's like that everywhere, not just in umpiring. Employers are looking for reliable, available individuals that add to the bottom line. Competence is on their radar screen but it is of secondary importance.

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Old Fri Dec 07, 2001, 01:18pm
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Re: You need to read EUMPIRE

Originally posted by His High Holiness
Originally posted by PeteBooth
Originally posted by Jim Porter
Originally posted by PeteBooth

Pete;

If I may make a shameless promotion of my articles,

You need to read my multipart series on eumpire entitled:

What does an assignor want?

It lists eight items that an assignor is looking for when he gives away a good game. It list those items in the order of importance to an assignor. The first three and one half items have nothing to do with umpiring and everything to do with being a good employee.

It's like that everywhere, not just in umpiring. Employers are looking for reliable, available individuals that add to the bottom line. Competence is on their radar screen but it is of secondary importance.


Peter Thanks, perhaps after the Holdiays are over and my credit cards are not maxed I will join and read the various articles.

I understand an assignor's dilema as I assigned for my local LL association for 4 years. The problem in HS is the start times.

I guess the real answer is that there should be a certification for Summer / Fall Ball for those quality umpires that can't commit without any degree of reliability to a full HS schedule.

As I mentioned my main reason for getting my HS certification was because of the Summer / Fall Ball programs where the contracts require umpires to be at least HS certified in order to work. There is plenty of ball in the Summer / Fall. Also, as we say in the business those FEES go South if you know what I mean.

Thanks for the info

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Old Sat Dec 08, 2001, 10:08am
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I would talk to the Summer assignor and ask if you discontinue HS would you still qualify since you have been FED certified. If not maybe you can become a standby HS ump. This is one that keeps a small schedule or none and then takes the turnbacks or rainouts of other more regular umps. With rainouts the assignor is always in trouble so a standby guy may be useful to him. Just a thought.
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Old Sat Dec 08, 2001, 01:09pm
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Unhappy who defines "certified".....

re: "I guess the real answer is that there should be a certification for Summer / Fall Ball for those quality umpires that can't commit without any degree of reliability to a full HS schedule."

About that "certification" matter, at the very least they should be some what versed on the rules for the particular league of the games they are assigned, i.e. American Legion, Little League, Babe Ruth, etc.

Too many problems arise when an umpire is certified to work NFHS and then goes into another program with no knowledge of that league particular rules.

Some associations are contracted to assign umpire's to numerous baseball league programs, and get a reasonable fee for this service. But, little or no effort is made to ensure that those umpire's assigned are instructed or even briefed in the myriad of rules for those other programs.

[Edited by Rog on Dec 8th, 2001 at 12:13 PM]
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Old Sun Dec 09, 2001, 12:10am
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I guess their thought is if you are FED certified you have better mechanics then someone moving up from 60ft bases. However you are right there is no simularity betwwen FED and OBR. Knowing one doesn't mean squat about the other.
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Old Sun Dec 09, 2001, 01:57pm
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Unhappy Discouraged.....?

It just seems that over the years one would have seen a bit more progress in these areas.....
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