LL Bat Question

[LLPA13UmpDan]

Whats meant by that is- bats that are not painted my the manufacturer

Same way in LL with Batting Helmets- unless it comes from the factory that way, it cannot be used.

Im dead sure thats what is being implied. If it comes from the factory painted up, its legal, but it if you buy a bat and dig out a can of paint, it cannot be used (same with batting helmets)

Thanks for those people who see both sides of things. I have books, i read them. It is very true that the books (LL) are a little messed around. I pick up quickly on rules, but some stuff is just confusing. Some stuff is very hard to remember, like substitution rules, so if something does happen we have the book.. I dont know anyone that knows the book by heart. Its almost impossible, with all thats in there.

[SAump]

Things would be different if it leads to an unfair advantage. Those manufacturers make a ton of money on baseball. MLB and LL are in business to make money and these rules are made with other financial reasons in mind and can change on whim over time. A six year old girl may want to place a decal on her helmet to differentiate her helmet from all the others. I wouldn't concern myself with MOST of the fine print. She still has to reach first base. I can't wait for those high STIRRUP socks and white cleats to make a comeback. I think it would lower some of the current MLB ERA's. Did you see Pedro cry the other day?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Nobody said that a laminated bat is a painted bat.

Laminated bats are not allowed. Bats painted by the consumer are not allowed. The rule doesn't mean that you can't use a bat painted at the factory. Some people do paint their bats with regular old paint, right from the can. That is what the rule is prohibiting. That's why the rule said that colored bats are legal. They were painted at the factory, and therefore legal.

[LLPA13UmpDan]

Originally Posted by PWL

All bats do not come from the factory. If you mean the factory to be a little independent bat maker that works out of their garage. I know of at least three people that turn bats.

Are you referring to paint or stain? No one paints their bats at the "factory". They stain them. They can use a clear stain. I simply gave the definition of what is a laminated bat. When was the last time you ruled a bat illegal for a "paint job"? Probably never.

we are talking about "factory", the makers of the bat. Meaning its done before it ever hits the shelves.

[BigUmp56]

Well, he doesn't speak for all umpires working LL, I can tell you that. I don't know of any of the umpires in the LL association I belong to that would subscribe to his ideaology. If a situation were to arise where a question about a players eligbility needed to be addressed the most we would do is advise them of the appropriate rule. I'm not checking birth certificates any more than I would do a freaking cup check.



Tim.

[LilLeaguer]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

Well, he doesn't speak for all umpires working LL, I can tell you that. I don't know of any of the umpires in the LL association I belong to that would subscribe to his ideaology. If a situation were to arise where a question about a players eligbility needed to be addressed the most we would do is advise them of the appropriate rule. I'm not checking birth certificates any more than I would do a freaking cup check.

Tim.

We almost agree. I think the Little League umpire should advise the manager of the appropriate rule; you admit that an umpire might do so.

I explicitely don't think that umpires should be checking birth certificates or cups.

And, of course, I don't speak for anybody but myself, though I'm relaying rules and responsibilities straight from the Little League book.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by LilLeaguer

We almost agree. I think the Little League umpire should advise the manager of the appropriate rule; you admit that an umpire might do so.

I explicitely don't think that umpires should be checking birth certificates or cups.

And, of course, I don't speak for anybody but myself, though I'm relaying rules and responsibilities straight from the Little League book.

Good Lord, you can't read.

What you said: "I think the Little League umpire should advise the manager of the appropriate rule; you admit that an umpire might do so."

What BU really said: "If a situation were to arise where a question about a players eligbility needed to be addressed the most we woulddo is advise them of the appropriate rule."

You have done the impossible. You got me to defend BU.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

Well, he doesn't speak for all umpires working LL, I can tell you that. I don't know of any of the umpires in the LL association I belong to that would subscribe to his ideaology.

Am I the only one here that knows that LilLeaguer is a woman?

[briancurtin]

thats news to me

[LilLeaguer]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Am I the only one here that knows that LilLeaguer is a woman?

I think I signed a few of my earliest posts Lil, but to the extent that it matters, or that you should believe a stranger on the internet, I'm:

Russ Paul-Jones (M)

[SAump]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Am I the only one here that knows that LilLeaguer is a woman?

Or are you making up this crap? Sorry, I lost my water laughing so hard.

[Dave Hensley]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Am I the only one here that knows that LilLeaguer is a woman?

I noticed he used feminine pronouns in one of his post, speaking of a hypothetical umpire. I guess you saw that post as well and assumed that made him a woman. It appears that is not the case.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by PWL

When was the last time you ruled a bat illegal for a "paint job"? Probably never.

No, I can't recall ever ruling a bat illegal for any reason, wait, I take that back. There was a completely out of round metal bat one time that had a flat side which I threw out of the game. But I have seen wood bats with paint, not stain, jobs on them. They looked horrible, but they were used in adult leagues. I really couldn't have cared less unless someone told me that there was a league rule against them, which nobody ever did.

[Dave Hensley]

Originally Posted by LLPA13UmpDan

Whats meant by that is- bats that are not painted my the manufacturer

Same way in LL with Batting Helmets- unless it comes from the factory that way, it cannot be used.

Im dead sure thats what is being implied. If it comes from the factory painted up, its legal, but it if you buy a bat and dig out a can of paint, it cannot be used (same with batting helmets)

A quick check of The Right Call confirms this interpretation:

Colored bats are bats that come from factory stained a certain color (brown or black). Bats painted in the family garage or basements are not legal.

Proving the old adage "even a blind pig finds an acorn every once in awhile."

Originally Posted by LLPA13UmpDan

Thanks for those people who see both sides of things. I have books, i read them. It is very true that the books (LL) are a little messed around. I pick up quickly on rules, but some stuff is just confusing. Some stuff is very hard to remember, like substitution rules, so if something does happen we have the book.. I dont know anyone that knows the book by heart. Its almost impossible, with all thats in there.

What you say is true, but not for the specific question you asked in this thread. You asked a question that is clearly and explicitly answered in the rulebook, exactly where anyone with passing familiarity with how the OBR and the Little League rulebook are organized would logically look.

You're 15. Most of us realize that, and are willing to cut you the necessary slack. But you remind me of my own kids when they were your age and learning to drive. When we would go driving and I would give them instruction, which necessarily included criticism of actions they took that were ill-advised, they would get all defensive and argumentative. That's unproductive. If you really want to learn, then you're going to have to suck it up and TAKE THE CRITICISM.

The question you asked was elementary and easily self-answered with reasonable effort, and you clearly did not make that effort. We're here to help you with more substantive questions about umpiring. When you start asking those questions, I'm pretty sure you'll get more enlightening and less harsh responses.

[bluezebra]

Originally Posted by Dave Hensley

A quick check of The Right Call confirms this interpretation:

Colored bats are bats that come from factory stained a certain color (brown or black). Bats painted in the family garage or basements are not legal.

Proving the old adage "even a blind pig finds an acorn every once in awhile."



What you say is true, but not for the specific question you asked in this thread. You asked a question that is clearly and explicitly answered in the rulebook, exactly where anyone with passing familiarity with how the OBR and the Little League rulebook are organized would logically look.

You're 15. Most of us realize that, and are willing to cut you the necessary slack. But you remind me of my own kids when they were your age and learning to drive. When we would go driving and I would give them instruction, which necessarily included criticism of actions they took that were ill-advised, they would get all defensive and argumentative. That's unproductive. If you really want to learn, then you're going to have to suck it up and TAKE THE CRITICISM.

The question you asked was elementary and easily self-answered with reasonable effort, and you clearly did not make that effort. We're here to help you with more substantive questions about umpiring. When you start asking those questions, I'm pretty sure you'll get more enlightening and less harsh responses.

Colored bats are bats that come from factory stained a certain color (brown or black). Bats painted in the family garage or basements are not legal.

"Fine, Blue, but I painted this bat in my bedroom".

Bob