ump interference

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Old Time Ump

I believe it was Frank Umont hurrying in from the outer edge of the infield (that was the appropriate 'mechanics' in those days in the American) who tripped and fell on a runner attempting to steal second about six feet short of the bag.

I'd love to hear all about this mechanic. You mean on a steal attempt, the umpire is to run in from the outfield grass line and try to beat the runner to the inside to make the call? Sounds kinda screwy to me.

Originally Posted by Old Time Ump

Frank was a huge man who didnt have a lot of mobility and the runner was stopped dead in his tracks. What would you have done?

First, this wouldn't have happened to me. But let's say it did:

"Time! I'm big fat Frank Umont who shouldn't be in professional baseball, God where's my spare hot dog? You, Mr. Runner are out. Where's my cigarettes??? Oh, there they are. Thank God, I thought I'd lost 'em, jeez. Anyways, as I was sayin', your out Mr. Base Runner, and I should go drop a few hundred pounds and come back when I'm not so freakin' uncoordinated. I'll see youse later."

Originally Posted by Old Time Ump

And the reason I asked about the runner's manager was I was curious to know if you survived.

I've had managers and coaches ream my butt up one side and down the other, and finished each and every game on the field, which these managers and coaches did not accomplish.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

I've had managers and coaches ream my butt up one side and down the other..

And yet, you still end up in the hospital.

Maybe you just aren't making enough tough calls?

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by SAump

You nailed it.

Does this mean you have some information to back up the OTU's story? Let's have it.

Let's see if they back away or steer another direction.

Hey, if I get answers to my emails to MLB and WUA, I'll be happy to post them, no matter the content.

As of now, a search of Frank provides everything from his eyeglasses to ejections of Weaver and Martin and includes his written recommendations that umpires should still be able to fine players and coache and even his shoe size. One would think a ground breaking use of Obstruction to include an umpire falling on a runner would be there someplace...not so far.

Anyway, keep you posted on any answer I get from the proper authorities.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by GarthB

And yet, you still end up in the hospital.

Maybe you just aren't making enough tough calls?

Oh, I'm out now guys. Thanks for all the kind words!

I haven't had a really good butt-chewing from a coach in a few months now, so I guess my immunity to them was a bit low.

[Old Time Ump]

Mr. Steve and Mr. Garth,

Please ....Until about 1965 American League umpires positioned themselves on the edge of the outfield grass a little to the right of 2nd with a runner on first. On an attempted steal you moved in toward the 2 bag shaded toward 1st but still on the outside of the base line. It was thought to be a better position than the National Laeague 'mechanic' which positioned on the inside. You can check this all out easily. Umont who was an excellent umpire in the Amer. for about 20 years was a former pro football tackle. It was easy enough to stumble as approaching the play..and that's what happened.

Mr. Garth, I said I had only seen it twice....the other one involved me in the Winter League in the islands when I got involved in a run down between 3rd and Home.

And that's why I asked if you all survived similar situations..LOL

Good Day

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by Old Time Ump

Mr. Steve and Mr. Garth,

Who'd a thunk you'd ever see those names linked?

Please ....Until about 1965 American League umpires positioned themselves on the edge of the outfield grass a little to the right of 2nd with a runner on first. On an attempted steal you moved in toward the 2 bag shaded toward 1st but still on the outside of the base line. It was thought to be a better position than the National Laeague 'mechanic' which positioned on the inside.

Reading is fundamental. I never challenged you on the mechanic. I am aware of the history of mechanics, thanks anyway.

Umont who was an excellent umpire in the Amer. for about 20 years was a former pro football tackle.

yada yada yada...yes, that is all well known and that he and Rommell became the first umpires to wear glasses in 1956.

It was easy enough to stumble as approaching the play..and that's what happened.

Even that is not the point. What I have sent requests for is the ruling made and the basis for the ruling. I doubt 7.06 would be the basis for umpire interference or even your claim of "fairness".

Mr. Garth, I said I had only seen it twice....the other one involved me in the Winter League in the islands when I got involved in a run down between 3rd and Home.

No, that's not what you said. You said: "on the two occasions when this happened," clearly implying that this has happened twice. And you referred to a ruling in both cases based on 7.06 being approved by THE League, (singular) clearly implying both cases occurred in the same league.

And that's why I asked if you all survived similar situations..LOL

And no one has an idea of what you are implying here, but that's okay, could be an age issue.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by GarthB

And no one has an idea of what you are implying here, but that's okay, could be an age issue.

Say hello to JThomas, a troll from both the McGriff basketball and baseball boards. Ask ol' J to recite something out of a rule book; unfortunately the poor old goof doesn't own one.

He is kinda mildly amusing though.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Old Time Ump

Until about 1965 American League umpires positioned themselves on the edge of the outfield grass a little to the right of 2nd with a runner on first. On an attempted steal you moved in toward the 2 bag shaded toward 1st but still on the outside of the base line. It was thought to be a better position than the National Laeague 'mechanic' which positioned on the inside. You can check this all out easily. Umont who was an excellent umpire in the Amer. for about 20 years was a former pro football tackle. It was easy enough to stumble as approaching the play..and that's what happened.

This is what I remember the mechanic to be from all the old video footage I've seen (I was watching baseball back then, but too young to remember umpire mechanics). What you originally said was that Umont tripped and fell on the runner, which led me to wonder why he was anywhere near the runner's base line to start with. Now that I read that he stumbled as approaching the play I can see how this could possibly happen.

[umpduck11]

Originally Posted by Old Time Ump

"And Umpire Interference is not the issue in this thread at all.

My, that's odd. I'd swear the title of this thread
said it was.......

[SAump]

Reggie Jackson hit a home run while playing for the Yankees. The fans rushed the field in an attempt to mob him while he ran around the bases. He never completed his attempt to circumnavigate the bases. The league later ruled that the run did count and amended the rulebook to reflect the "fairness" principle. I doubt it was written in MLB 7.06, but it may have been written in 1976. I could be wrong about the date too.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by SAump

Reggie Jackson hit a home run while playing for the Yankees. The fans rushed the field in an attempt to mob him while he ran around the bases. He never completed his attempt to circumnavigate the bases. The league later ruled that the run did count and amended the rulebook to reflect the "fairness" principle. I doubt it was written in MLB 7.06, but it may have been written in 1976. I could be wrong about the date too.

And this must have been written to cover fan interference. I'm quite sure it has nothing to do with a player running into the umpire. That is called a "bad break," or as they say in golf, "a rub of the green." You just have to live with it.

[ctblu40]

Originally Posted by Old Time Ump

This will probably earn a 'Ridiculous' award from some of the young lads here, but on the two occasions when this happened, 7.06 was invoked by the PU. In both cases the League upheld that decision. The ruling was that 'Obstructed' does not exclude an Umpire or even a fan coming onto the field..the 'Fairness factor', you know.
If anyone here has actually called this play the way you call it in your statements here, could you please describe the runner's manager's reaction?

Are you for real? May I suggest that you read a rule book at least 1 time before answering rules related questions?

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by ctblu40

Are you for real? May I suggest that you read a rule book at least 1 time before answering rules related questions?

Careful Kevin, you seem to moving towards the dark side. You might find yourself named on other forums as being negative.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Careful Kevin, you seem to moving towards the dark side. You might find yourself named on other forums as being negative.

I'll bet he's man enough to post on other forums under the same moniker.


Tim.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I'll bet he's man enough to post on other forums under the same moniker.


Tim.

Exactly what I've been waiting for. I've received emails regarding your insinuations. I'll be more than happy to address that issue with the proper folks. I'm sure you will be notified. (And possibly amazed that not all Seattle IPs are connected to the same computer.)