No Brainer?

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

Part of me feels like it's MORE important to toss him (assuming I'm PU) if he does it at the end. Players can't feel like the second the game is over all decorum is moot and they are free to do whatever they want.

BINGO!

Joe

[TussAgee11]

If there is some sort of magical troll, similar to the one in Harry Potter, raging through the dugout, I would allow helmets and bats to be tossed at him in the dugout.

Thats actually the most likely situation I could think of. Everything else, wind it up on your right hand, hop twice on the right foot, transfer the weight, and bring the arm quickly through the zone with a slight flick of the wrist at the end

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by waltjp

Let's try to keep this based in reality. Trust me, if someone throws a punch in front of me I'll have him tossed before you could flinch.

You obviously would. But, seriously, if you are the BU and your partner ignores a punch being thrown-What do you do?


Joe

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by PWL

This is a classic case of obsessive control behavior. Tim should worry about what Tim does and less about what his partner did as he has no control over that situation. If it bothered you that much you should have run down the base line and thrown the player out and you would not be obsessing over it so much later.

The way I've handled this problem on a couple of occasions in the past was to simply walk over to the coach and tell him if you don't want to deal with the problem, I will. They know what I'm talking about and said problem is taken care. Much easier and less painless on all parties involved. This comes from being around the game for many years and understanding the principles involved.

Just what is your ejection count up to now? Inquiring minds want to know!

Speaking of obsession, you seem to have an obsession for responding to Tim and me, and not so much to anyone else. Using the third person singular does not disguise your intent of a personal attack.

TussAgee11, I believe I have located your magical troll.

[RPatrino]

Reminds me of Sgt. Shultz on Hogan's Heroes. "I see nothing"....

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Just what is your ejection count up to now? Inquiring minds want to know!

Speaking of obsession, you seem to have an obsession for responding to Tim and me, and not so much to anyone else. Using the third person singular does not disguise your intent of a personal attack.

TussAgee11, I believe I have located your magical troll.

ya know Steve, I try to put a guy on my ignore list and then you people keep quoting him.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by PWL

Another classic case of obsessive control behavior. Why do you worry what my personal ejection count is up to. What you really need to worry about is what your weight and cholesterol level is up to. Take this to heart. Get off the Internet and get out and get in shape before you drop dead from a heart attack or stroke. Wouldn't it be terrible if I was still posting while you were drooling all over yourself. Think about that for awhile. Put me down all you want. It's only cyberspace.

Weight is down, cholesterol never been up, shape I'm in irrelevant. I have health conditions which have nothing to do with weight. I do not drool. You are a fool and a tool. If I saw you in person I'd kick your really in great shape, 200 crunches a$s all over the place.

I'll answer the ejection count question: Still 0.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

ya know Steve, I try to put a guy on my ignore list and then you people keep quoting him.

Yeah, I tried putting him on my list too, then he started being a normal person for a few days, and I took him off. Now it appears he's back to throwing insults around. He likes to talk about my weight and health, and he doesn't have a clue of what he's talking about. I guarantee he wouldn't say these things to me face to face, because I would squash him like a bug.

Now he's going back on the ignore list, since he obviously wants me to drop over dead. What a nice guy.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Yeah, I tried putting him on my list too, then he started being a normal person for a few days, and I took him off. Now it appears he's back to throwing insults around. He likes to talk about my weight and health, and he doesn't have a clue of what he's talking about. I guarantee he wouldn't say these things to me face to face, because I would squash him like a bug.

Now he's going back on the ignore list, since he obviously wants me to drop over dead. What a nice guy.

How did you know he was being normal if he was on your ignore?

[SanDiegoSteve]

I peeked!

[mcrowder]

Another classic case of obsessive control behavior. Why do you worry what my personal ejection count is up to. What you really need to worry about is what your weight and cholesterol level is up to. Take this to heart. Get off the Internet and get out and get in shape before you drop dead from a heart attack or stroke. Wouldn't it be terrible if I was still posting while you were drooling all over yourself. Think about that for awhile. Put me down all you want. It's only cyberspace.

Good grief. Throw this one on the top of the pile. If this unwarranted personal attack is not enough to get PWL out of here, I suppose we should all simply leave on our own accord. Haven't we had enough of this drivel yet?

Moderators?

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by PWL

Originally Posted by PWL
This is a classic case of obsessive control behavior. Tim should worry about what Tim does and less about what his partner did as he has no control over that situation.

It's obviously not about control or I would have done as you suggest and run down the baseline to eject him myself. It's about maintaining a little respect for a long time official who, in my opinion, didn't handle the situation well at all. It's also something that wasn't completely ignored on my part. I addressed my partner after the game about it and told him what I thought should have been done. From some of your past posts where you seem to encourage throwing your partners under the bus it's apparent that you don't understand how a team works. We live and die as a team on the diamond. When the @hit hits the fans it's not an umpire who blew the call, it's the umpires who blew the call. We have to support each other while we're out there. It's often been said that your partner is the only friend you have on the diamond. In the case of those of us who are competent officials this holds true. However, for those who throw their partners under the bus and spend their time playing kiss kiss with the rats, they soon find themselves on everyones scratch list instead of making any friends. Kind of like acting like a jerk on the Internet it leaves you friendless and solo.

Originally Posted by PWL

Originally Posted by PWL
If it bothered you that much you should have run down the base line and thrown the player out and you would not be obsessing over it so much later.

I didn't realize that sharing experiences here was "obsessing" over something. I thought it was something used as a learning tool for not just myself, but for others. With the exception of your nonsense, this thread has once again provided a decent discussion on how different umpires manage their games, more specifically, a post game ejection or non ejection. While I still maintain that it wouldn't have been a good idea for me to step on my partners non call here, I certainly appreciate those whose opinions differ on the situation.

Originally Posted by PWL

Originally Posted by PWL
The way I've handled this problem on a couple of occasions in the past was to simply walk over to the coach and tell him if you don't want to deal with the problem, I will. They know what I'm talking about and said problem is taken care. Much easier and less painless on all parties involved. This comes from being around the game for many years and understanding the principles involved.

Of course this is how you handle it. You still don't have the balls to issue an ejection for fear of getting on a rats bad side. This doesn't come from years of being involved in the game as an official. It comes from being involved in the game as a semi-rat yourself. It is much painless on everyone, especially on the coward who is afraid to pull the trigger.


Tim.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

Good grief. Throw this one on the top of the pile. If this unwarranted personal attack is not enough to get PWL out of here, I suppose we should all simply leave on our own accord. Haven't we had enough of this drivel yet?

Moderators?

My ignore list is ineffective if you won't stop quoting him

[PeteBooth]

[QUOTE=BigUmp56]I watched one of our more experienced umpires not react to a situation today and was kind of shocked. Bottom of the 7th inning home team down 6 runs. 2 outs. Batter strikes out swinging. He slings his bat all the way to the backstop in disgust and flings his helmet from the batters box all the way back to the dugout steps. I was in A position and was just waiting to see the big finger come out. He didn't say a word to this player.

IMO, Post game Ejections mainly occur because a coach or player has directed some deroggatory or personal remarks at the umpire. Since it is the end of the game some players / coaches think they have 'carte blanch" and can say and do whatever they want when the game is over. In the scenario given, You didn't mention that the kid said something to the umpire or not. All that was mentioned is that he flung the bat and the helmet after strike 3.

In reality, after I drop the baseballs at or near home plate I am not even around by the time his helmet hits the ground. IMO, this falls under "Looking for Boogers". When the game is OVER It's OVER. Unless the kid said "hey Blue that was the worst F*****g call ever or something similiar It's time for a cold one.

Pete Booth

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by PeteBooth

IMO, Post game Ejections mainly occur because a coach or player has directed some deroggatory or personal remarks at the umpire. Since it is the end of the game some players / coaches think they have 'carte blanch" and can say and do whatever they want when the game is over. In the scenario given, You didn't mention that the kid said something to the umpire or not. All that was mentioned is that he flung the bat and the helmet after strike 3.

In reality, after I drop the baseballs at or near home plate I am not even around by the time his helmet hits the ground. IMO, this falls under "Looking for Boogers". When the game is OVER It's OVER. Unless the kid said "hey Blue that was the worst F*****g call ever or something similiar It's time for a cold one.

Pete Booth

You're gone before he throws the helmet and bat? Horse hockey!

So, throwing equipment around that can put people in the hospital is not as bad as yelling something at you? Good Grief!

Your responsilbity starts when you get on the field and ends when you leave the field. I have to deal with players who get worse because guys like you don't deal with them.

Joe