it's over

[SCUMP]

hey if the deal was so bad why ratify it?????

the amlu and its members should have figured it out by now....minor league baseball doesnt give a rats *** about them an hello they never will.....so go back to work and dont spend that extra 30 bucks a month all at the same place

[TCump84]

You know what, its real easy for all of you guys who arent MiLb guys to sit here and question their decision about striking, not accepting the first contract, and then ratifying this one. Think about it for a second and tell me that those are easy decisions and then maybe you can criticize them, but for now why dont you leave those guys alone and let them get back to work to do something they LOVE to do or else they obviously wouldnt go through all of this. Im just tired of all the critics who dont know what it is like to be in their situation.

[pdxblue]

Originally Posted by TCump84

You know what, its real easy for all of you guys who arent MiLb guys to sit here and question their decision about striking, not accepting the first contract, and then ratifying this one. Think about it for a second and tell me that those are easy decisions and then maybe you can criticize them, but for now why dont you leave those guys alone and let them get back to work to do something they LOVE to do or else they obviously wouldnt go through all of this. Im just tired of all the critics who dont know what it is like to be in their situation.

LOL!!! Doing a demanding job that you are not paid very well for? Yeah, I guess NOBODY in the whole world knows what it is like to be in their situation! LOL

Spare me.

The AMLU membership would garner a bit more sympathy if they conducted themselves better, and didn't think they were god's gift to umpiring. I personally have grown VERY tired of the pompous attitude of minor league umpires (current AND ex). God for bid if you should ever try to tell one of these guys THEY aren't doing something very well. They look at you like you cut a fart in a perfume shop.

Anyway............I was hoping they would hold out longer! I have had a great time umping PCL ball, and am enjoying a respectful relationship with the players!

[pdxblue]

Originally Posted by lorenzeugene

pdx, you don't get it. And don't begin to compare your recent "contribution" on the PCL circuit to be the same, or even similar to those in the Milb ranks. You get on here and taunt these guys, laugh at them, and then dare to blast them for not realizing their own working conditions as being difficult?

You cannot say that you had it the same as these guys. Did you travel 140 days+ on the road out of a bag? Work under conditions that don't involve a fine-system that is "special" for the "replacement" umps to keep them off your ***? Can you live off of the 22-25 bucks a day per diem through airports, hotels, laundromats, restaraunts and similar gratuity-type services? Have to drive 500 miles after your night game just to do it all over again the next series? And the entire time you're battling for the next promotion by being ranked in the top 10-15 per cent at each level?

I am curious here pdx, you speak as if you're in the know here. How many pro guys are you so well associated with that you have the opportunity to offer critiques or feedback? My remaining Amlu contact said he knew of only two-three guys that are all rookies (short-A ball). And since you're not wanting to offer any "sympathy" as you put it, how many of your umpires in your area seem to be crossing in on your back when you decide to take a stand for something you think is right, and fair to your peers?

Another poster here earlier put it best as 90 bucks or bust. I think with all of the Milb guys calling it quits that next spring will see a new batch of ex-pro guys aiming for those spots so coveted by any up-and-coming college ump. Pdx and others might get the chance to tell all about their new relationships with pro-players, yeah, that'll impress an ex-AAA ump.

Please tell us your experiences in dealing with these "pompous" fellows, you, by the way, have been posting here since your day one stating how YOU are now a "replacement" in the PCL AAA League.

So, they have a tough working condition. I used to work for a roofer. Let me tell you, I made a LOT less per month doing that than umpires in Pro ball make. I DON'T feel sorry for them in the least! It is hardly considered "work" when compared to other work.

Most amature umpires will state "I won't umpire for free, but I don't do it for the money". THAT is dedication to the "profession" of umpiring.

One distinction we should make is that when I "stand for something", I don't quit doing my job while I go through the channels to say what I want to "higher ups" to hear. Generally, if I have a pretty strong case, and am persuasive, I might get a bit of what I am after. But, it isn't like guys doing high school and college ball don't have their own money gripes! But, I can't remember the whole of us EVER going on strike because the money is crummy!

The "fine based system" ONLY went as far as talking to the press. I didn't see managers EVER holding back on coming out on an ump in the games I did. So, whatever. Time and time again I heard from players and 1st base coaches about how they sort of liked us better because were at least "approachable" concerning calls. Maybe the AMLU guys can learn something from that. Doubtful, but we can hope!

[SAump]

Originally Posted by lorenzeugene

pdx, you don't get it. And don't begin to ... blast them for not realizing their own working conditions as being difficult?

You cannot say that you had it the same as these guys. Did you travel 140 days+ on the road out of a bag? ... Can you live off of the 22-25 bucks a day per diem through airports, hotels, laundromats, restaraunts and similar gratuity-type services? Have to drive 500 miles after your night game just to do it all over again the next series? And the entire time you're battling for the next promotion by being ranked in the top 10-15 per cent at each level?

... And since you're not wanting to offer any "sympathy" as you put it, ... to take a stand for something you think is right, and fair to your peers?

Another poster here earlier put it best as 90 bucks or bust. I think with all of the Milb guys calling it quits that next spring will see a new batch of ex-pro guys aiming for those {edited: LOW PAYING} spots so coveted by any {edited: POORLY TRAINED} up-and-coming college ump. Pdx and others might get the chance to tell all about their new relationships with pro-players, yeah, that'll impress an ex-AAA ump.

... since ... YOU are now a "replacement" in the PCL AAA League.

Roger Clemmons just signed another BASEBALL contract. Something about $100,000 US per innning, or per strikeout. He only appears for 6-7 innings, so that is about $600,000 to $700,000 per game average. That is leverage because few can replace HIM or his performance on the field.

Even MiLB players with six years and no shot at the bigs are compensated well above $20,000 per year thanks to the MLB PA support. I guess the AMLU umps were wrong to demand a small pay increase after six years in the business. If an UMPIRE cannot demand $100 bucks a game, then how can he begin to believe he is the BEST?

The AMLU has federal status. It would be DUMB not to join it and work as an independent contractor for PRO ball. I liken it to working on your knees. MiLB will no longer attract the best possible umpires. Anybody may consider himself to be a fine replacement. But until Bubba's paid the some dough as a TOP DOG, he is just another SUBSTITUTE, or second fiddler.

[SCUMP]

ncump 7.....you didn't help put together the new deal did ya????

in the words of the montgomery/gentry band......

that something to be proud of......

thats a deal you can hang your hat on.......

[SCUMP]

nc ump7

you dont need to make a million.....

just be thankful to be working.......

if your doing what your able......

the extra 30 bucks will put a "HAPPY MEAL" ON THE TABLE.......

[BenedictArnold]

8 more games. Enjoy being a scab while it lasts. And by the way, when you are done self fornicating, I would bet my life that a 1st year umpire in pro ball is better than you SCUMP. You are a joke to everyone. But just keep believing all of the complements from the players and managers that have been ordered not to argue with you. Like I said, 8 more days!

And don't worry boys, I will be sitting and waiting for another game being forfeited because an umpire loses control. AMLU guys lookout...overall you have some pretty tough shoes to fill 9 days from now. (SCUMP, since you obviously have a hard time telling when someone is being truthful, I am being sarcastic. So please don't come back on here and quote me like you do the players and managers that say they respect you and then laugh at you in the dugout)

Truth hurts boys!