Hockey Style masks or Traditional??

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by SAump

HSM Facts:
1) More expensive, 2) More heat, 3) Less professional, 4) Less padding, 5) Less comfort, 7) Less buying INFO, 8) Harder to size, 9) Harder to take on/off, 10) Harder to handle or store in gym bag, 11) Safety record (NIL), 12) Must cut hair or wear silly stocking cap and 13) Must have small head to fit right.

Safety:
1) Catcher NO longer tosses it or trips over it because they no longer take it off durring the course of a PLAY.
2) More deflection,the impact is significantly reduced. However, the UMPIRE standing behind the catcher is now more likely to take the DING on the unprotected ARM. Ouch.

Challenge:
1) Name one umpire or catcher whose carreer ended from an injury caused by the impact of a foul ball to the mask. Then prove that this injury would have been prevented as a result of wearing a HSM over the traditional mask.
2) Name and discuss any fact or safety issue that may prove added value of wearing a HSM.

1) not necessarily, 2) true, 3) false, 4) padding not needed, 5) way more comfort, 6) you skipped 6, 7) what?????, 8) quite easy to size - 2 sizes fit all,
9) if you are an imbicile, perhaps harder, 10) yes, if you store your gear in a "gym bag," but most of us use equipment bags, 11) N/A 12) why on earth, sweaty hair? get over yourself!!! 13) total bullsh*t.

Safety:
1) Really? All the catchers I know flip the helmet off to make plays (except steals). Have not had one catcher try to catch a pop-up with his helmet on.
2) Totally a logical fallacy. Try again.

Challenge:
1) Stupid challenge, as it is totally irrelevant what has or has not occurred in the past.
2) When the ball hits you in the back of the head, it doesn't hurt. I got a rebound in the back of the noggin the other night. Also would be nice to have if Delmon Young is nearby with a bat in his hands.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Tim C

I simply correctly commented that a mask worn correctly works like an F1 racer at crash time and disapates energy.

Tim,

Does it work as well as Paul Dana's recently did, or those of Roland Ratzenberger and Ayrton Senna in the San Marino Grand Prix at Imola in 1994? Maybe a better analogy would be more appropriate, hmmmm?

[nickrego]

Originally Posted by Tim C

No where have I said a traditional mask is better (or worse) than the old HSM.

You are correct, and I never said you said that.

I addressed your statement that a mask does not transfer the impact of a hit to your forehead and jaw.

Originally Posted by Tim C

"The traditional mask, because of how it is worn, transfers the impact to the forehead and more so the chin (jaw)."

This is not a true statement if you wear your traditional mask correctly.

[Tim C]

Senna's crash was 160 MPH directly into a concrete wall . . . not sure how all that energy could have been deflected even if he was wearing a HSM.

Nick, will you ever get past this kind of stuff.

It has become funny.

Regards,