Do you count the run?

[UmpJM]

UMP25,

No.

JM

[UMP25]

I think I intentionally confused many of them by reminding them that advances by runners due to balks or wild pitches when an improper batter is at bat do count. Not that this means the run counts. Just throwing that out there to further confuse the masses.

[yankeesfan]

Originally Posted by UMP25

I think I intentionally confused many of them by reminding them that advances by runners due to balks or wild pitches when an improper batter is at bat do count. Not that this means the run counts. Just throwing that out there to further confuse the masses.

if the wild pitch happened on ball three and the runner from third scored then the run would of counted? is this correct?

[UmpJM]

Yankeesfan,

That would be absolutely correct.

JM

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by yankeesfan

if the wild pitch happened on ball three and the runner from third scored then the run would of counted? is this correct?

Trick question, right? That's NOT correct. The run would HAVE counted.

[yankeesfan]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Trick question, right? That's NOT correct. The run would HAVE counted.

what are you talking about? thats what i said.

[orioles35]

The run should count, UNLESS it is as a result of an action by the improper batter. For instance, if the improper batter singled, the run wouldn't count since that single by the improper batter caused the run to score.

[BigUmp56]

It doesn't have to be an action by the batter. This had to be ball four before it became a passed ball, so any advance or run would be nullified.

6.07(b)When an improper batter becomes a runner or is put out, and the defensive team appeals to the umpire before the first pitch to the next batter of either team, or before any play or attempted play, the umpire shall (1) declare the proper batter out; and (2) nullify any advance or score made because of a ball batted by the improper batter or because of the improper batter’s advance to first base on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batter or otherwise.

NOTE: If a runner advances, while the improper batter is at bat, on a stolen base, illegal pitch, balk, wild pitch or passed ball, such advance is legal.


Tim.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by yankeesfan

what are you talking about? thats what i said.

Read it again. You said the run "would *OF* counted."

mbyron points out that "would *HAVE* counted" is proper.

[umpduck11]

Originally Posted by yankeesfan

what are you talking about? thats what i said.

I don't care who you are, that's funny ! LMFAO !

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by UMP25

I think I intentionally confused many of them by reminding them that advances by runners due to balks or wild pitches when an improper batter is at bat do count. Not that this means the run counts. Just throwing that out there to further confuse the masses.

That is because R3 scored because he was awarded home on ball four in this case, and not as the result of a wild pitch or a balk. The fact that ball four was also a wild pitch does not mean R3's run counts for this very reason. On proper appeal, R3's run is negated.

[UmpJM]

S.D. Steve,

I believe that in UMP25's sitch, the R3 is the only baserunner. Therefore, there is no award to the R3 on the ball 4 (wild) pitch to the batter.

JM

[SanDiegoSteve]

Man, I'm not reading well lately.

[BoomerSooner]

Wouldn't the key to this situation be that, in this case, the batter's time at bat ends upon become a runner or more properly a batter-runner and therefore anything that occurs after this point can be negated by batting out of order.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by PWL

I do remember a FED case play with runner at third and two out stating that the activity of the improper batter did not assist or advance the base runner. I believe this was for a steal of home. It also stated something about if it was the third strike if catcher either caught the ball or threw out the improper batter at first the run would not count.

So with a base on balls, wouldn't this be the same thing.

Runs scores. Improper batter out on proper appeal.

Also FED has any runner advancing on a balk, wild pitch, passed ball, or steal while the improper batter is at bat is legal.

Should be the same in OBR.

The only way the run would score on an advance unrelated to the improper batters advance to first would be with less than two outs. This play has two outs and no run can score if the third out is made before the batter obtains first base. No run scores on this play.


Tim.