Recent Game - 1st Ejection of the year

[Durham]

Why post? That is like asking why log on? And, if I don't agree with you I am not suppose to respond for fear of what it might look like to you?

So you guys eject every assistant coach that talks to you, or questions you? Do you get like 4-6 ejections a week?

mcrowder, just because I said I warned someone doesn't mean that I said, "Hey you, that is enough" or "not one more word." Like I said earlier I would be a very foolish official to practice those types of habits. And as far as the parenting thing, that is apples and oranges and in poor taste as an example.

If I said, "Hey guys were not going to sit here and do this all day." and someone responds, I am suppose to dump him?

Pete, since I was promoted in 2002 in pro ball and opted to leave the game for a more stable and rewarding career and l have happily worked a very nice Div I schedule, and I have never once been questioned by partners, observers, or coordinators about how I handle people on the field.

I posted and will continue to post real situations so that others and myself can learn from them. Unless you have any objections.

[PeteBooth]

I posted and will continue to post real situations so that others and myself can learn from them. Unless you have any objections.

I do not care what you post and you can post to your "hearts content" but here is one of your responses to a poster

Again, I will happily answer any questions you have and engage in any discussion you would like to on the topic of handling situations.

In that entire thread it sounded to me as if you were defending yourself.

The ending of your original post was with a question which IMO was answered, yet you didn't like the answer and felt the need to give a disertation on your umpiring career to substantiate what you did.

As far as your comment about ejecting assistant coaches. If you ignore them there's no need to eject.

IMO, engaging with an assitant coach is like engaging with the scorekeeper.

Again as I stated in my original post to you, the theme of the thread is "why did you feel the need to engage with the assistants." Perhaps you knew them

Pete Booth

[SanDiegoSteve]

I'm still trying to get past "rum dum high school or adult ball."

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[Durham]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

I'm still trying to get past "rum dum high school or adult ball."

Steve,

High school and adult ball ejections happen ever day without being reported, that was my point and you are correct I should have stated it in a better way.

[Durham]

Ok Pete,

I don't know too many people that would take a side and not defend it, but I am willing to learn so teach me because I want to know how to do it better.

"In the top of the 2nd, the third out was made on a non-routine play at first base where the first baseman possibly had his foot off the base. My partner called the runner out and the entire dugout erupted."

Why don't you explain to me how you handle it from there and why you handle it that way.

[gobama84]

Originally Posted by Durham

Ok Pete,

"In the top of the 2nd, the third out was made on a non-routine play at first base where the first baseman possibly had his foot off the base. My partner called the runner out and the entire dugout erupted."

Why don't you explain to me how you handle it from there and why you handle it that way.

Let me jump in here.
I would ignore it, it wasn't my call.

[Durham]

Originally Posted by gobama84

Let me jump in here.
I would ignore it, it wasn't my call.

Ok, you would ignore it, because it was not your call. How about the rest of you? What would you do?

[PeteBooth]

Originally Posted by Durham

Ok Pete,

"In the top of the 2nd, the third out was made on a non-routine play at first base where the first baseman possibly had his foot off the base. My partner called the runner out and the entire dugout erupted."

Why don't you explain to me how you handle it from there and why you handle it that way.

I am very surprised with all your experience that you would ask this type of question. The call belonged to the BU, therefore, I would give my partner the respect he/she deserves and let them handle it. There is no need for me to get involved.

If the BU wants any help or assistance from me he/she will ask.

I think you are "pulling our legs" now because most of us learned to not intervene with our partners call unless asked to do so in Umpiring 101.

Pete Booth

[Durham]

Originally Posted by PeteBooth

I am very surprised with all your experience that you would ask this type of question. The call belonged to the BU, therefore, I would give my partner the respect he/she deserves and let them handle it. There is no need for me to get involved.

If the BU wants any help or assistance from me he/she will ask.

I think you are "pulling our legs" now because most of us learned to not intervene with our partners call unless asked to do so in Umpiring 101.

Pete Booth

First off Pete, my experience has taught me that I don't know everything and to open my mind to learning about other ideas, even ones I do not agree with. Maybe I don't agree with them simply don't understand them.

Second, I was there that day in umpiring 101 and I did learn that, but the funny thing is, if you keep going to class thru the 200's and 300's they have you unlearn some of the things they first taught you and teach you different things: like you are partners and here is the rule book and these are the guidelines and at the end of the day you have to make sure they are done as a team, and not you take this half and I take my half and let's go work.

Examples:
Number of on deck hitters, I know there should only be 2 on deck hitters in NCAA and I see 4 guys out there swing the bat. The crew is responsible for enforcing that, but many guys think, I can't say anything about that it is the PU's job.
Last year, a player drew a line on a called third on my partner and he didn't see it, I turned to the HC who was at the end of the 3rd base dugout next to me and I asked him to take care of it and he pulled the player from the game. Did I step on toes there or help the crew?
A friend of mine, AAA umpire is working a game a few weeks ago, and his partner makes a call that one team doesn't like and the HC of that team throws his hat onto the field and the BU doesn't see it, so my friend runs him. Did he step on toes or help the crew?
A guy in the dugout snipers your partner on balls and strikes and you see exactly who did it. Why not help your partner?
The right fielder yells at your partner on balls and strikes. Why not turn and let him know you heard him and that you don't want to hear it again?
You’re at the 45-foot line on a play at first and the 1st base dugout pops off at your partner after he has had several close calls. Why not help out by deflecting for him?

I have learned that it is better for the crew to umpire the situation and not stick to it's his call and he has to take every ounce of crap for it. If the teams know that I am watching your back and you are watching mine and they have to deal with the 2 or 3 of us, it makes our job easier. Why would I disrespect my partner by letting him go it alone if I could help him, and the crew?

[Az.Ump]

Originally Posted by Durham

Steve,

High school and adult ball ejections happen ever day without being reported, that was my point and you are correct I should have stated it in a better way.

That’s certainly not how it’s done here. All ejections including coaches, assistant coaches and players must be reported in full with in 24 hours.

Paul B.

[Durham]

Paul, that may be the case where you are from; and I am not saying that it happens every day all, the time, but we have all heard stories about someone getting ejected and no report was ever turned in. It is not like I am saying that you have to believe in a rising fastball, because I am not, but are you telling me that every high school and adult ball ejection in the country gets reported?

[Az.Ump]

Originally Posted by Durham

Paul, that may be the case where you are from; and I am not saying that it happens every day all, the time, but we have all heard stories about someone getting ejected and no report was ever turned in. It is not like I am saying that you have to believe in a rising fastball, because I am not, but are you telling me that every high school and adult ball ejection in the country gets reported?

No,

It just came off as a slight toward HS umpires. Here the AIA takes ejections quite seriously.

Paul B.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Durham

Paul, that may be the case where you are from; and I am not saying that it happens every day all, the time, but we have all heard stories about someone getting ejected and no report was ever turned in. It is not like I am saying that you have to believe in a rising fastball, because I am not, but are you telling me that every high school and adult ball ejection in the country gets reported?

Around here, they do. I assign a 44-team adult league and the umpires are required to file ejection reports. There are usually 1-2 a week. And since all ejections in HS carry a 1-game suspension, umpires are expected to fill out an ejection report ASAP after an ejection occurs.

[shooter17]

Durham is just asking for advice on how different umpires handle a situation. If I was told something that I might not fully understand the reasoning, I would ask questions. Not so much to question your responses but to understand why you would do something. If I have a different way of handling situations and think its a good way to handle it then I will defend my reasoning. Everybody is different umpire. If umpires come on here to try to learn I would want as much information as possible. If guys want to write where the umpiring career has taken them that is more information to render which way will be the best to handle the situation. For example if one guy says just ignore them and he's experience is little league. While the other guy says issue as many warnings as possible then eject and has pro ball experience. Who has the most experience and has the most up to date training for these types of situations. As an umpire I would want to have options for handling situations. Just look at how many ways everybody handles just this situation. I think that is what these forums or all about. Teaching guys new things or adding to your "toolbox". Not to bash each other. Keep posting it's great to see everybody sharing info.

[Carbide Keyman]

Durham,

In a posted love letter to yourself about your skill in verbal banter with game participants, you asked a question.

You received answers that didn't match your lofty opinion of yourself.

Then, the ever popular umpire internet post when one's point-of-view is being dismantled, the "I coulda-woulda-shoulda been in pro ball, so don't question me". Did Jimmy Rollins tell you that you were a good ump when he was in Little League?

And, finally, PWL allies himself with you.

This post is a prime example of your game management skills. Nip it in the bud, don't let it gain a life of its own. You keep going back, when you should just deal with it and let it go.



Doug