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Wed Jul 27, 2005, 03:55pm
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I just find so much wrong with your post. Why, should we go over and over and over and over and over the same issues just because someone is new to a site? Should we rehash "are the hands part of the bat" yet again simply because "Bobbie" just joined. Should we talk yet again about a strike that hits the batter? When does it end? When do we go forward rather than backward? Why do we have to slow to the lowest common denominator? " . . . we should behave like professionals and answere(sic) honest questions in a responsible manner." I would also respectfully ask you not to tell me how to post. Thanks 
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Wed Jul 27, 2005, 04:20pm
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In responce to: [b]I would also respectfully ask you not to tell me how to post[/b}
Fair enough, I did not intend to tell you how to post, nor did mean any disrespect. Excuss me if it did. However, I do believe that we should answere these questions. I agree they are tedious and many times stupid questions, heck, I've asked many dump questions and still do. In my opinion, it's part of the learning process . Maybe the solution is to set a forum that allows these elementary questions to be asked and then answered by better umpires. Could that be apart of the "Voice of the Customer" post? Why not, we all started somewhere. To add to that thought, that would alow these quesitons to directed to an alternate forum and keep this cleared for other questions that assume an equal understanding of the rules and mechanics of being a good umpire.
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Wed Jul 27, 2005, 06:42pm
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Wed Jul 27, 2005, 08:12pm
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Tee
I respect your vastly superior knowledge to many including me on this forum, however your "mission" to stop any and all threads that don't meet your strict requirements is getting rather old.
I wonder what happened to your bringing a level of class to the board. When I read that I was very much on board with your thoughts. However, jumping on every stich and complaining that it is too remedial, when you could simply ignore it seems a little petty. This is a guy getting ready to teach very newbies, it is tough sometimes to remember everything this breed of human does until you see it. He was simply expanding the number of heads trying to remember in order to get rid of the stupidity of newbie umpires. If you don't wish to contribute, just as I don't, don't post, then don't open the thread again. Many of us seem to be able to accomplish this most difficult of tasks.
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Thu Jul 28, 2005, 08:48am
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But I'm with you, Garth. I distinguish between 'professional' and 'professionalism'. The pittance that most of us receive for games does not qualify us as professional umpires: IMHO, you have to go to school and be hired by PBUC or the equivalent to be a pro ump. It's a question of employment, status, and recognition and not mere compensation. But every one of us can strive for professionalism, in just the dimensions that Garth mentions: getting better, looking better, performing at a higher level. Those who complain that such striving takes all the "fun" out of umpiring probably don't understand the thrill of being totally focused on one's activity and doing it very, very well.
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Thu Jul 28, 2005, 09:20am
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Likewise, I took up volleyball and the assignor and other officials spoiled it with endless clinics, pre games, post games reviews, and other associated BS. My partners were furious at my failure to take it seriously and they hated my heavy use of technicals and yellow/red cards to control the coaches outbursts at my lack of "professionalism." I could tell you some horror stories about soccer. All I do is baseball today and the other sports complain about a lack of officials. Considering what I was being paid, the leagues got more that they paid for. A lot more money would have compelled me to be more serious but for the pocket change I was being paid, showing up on time with a smile on my face was all that they had a right to ask for. Peter
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Thu Jul 28, 2005, 09:24am
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Thu Jul 28, 2005, 11:18am
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Wow
Such class, I'm so glad you have risen above. What a fantastic level of decorum you have obtained. It was you who posted how we need to supply a level of CLASS on here, right that was your choice of word right CLASS. CLASS, I'm shaking my head at your total lack of it at this moment.
One of the most senior, and most respected posters on this forum is now posting such great insite as BITE ME! Boy your family must be so proud.
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Thu Jul 28, 2005, 12:04pm
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Tim, If this forum isn't to be used for educational purposes, what is it to be used for? Even in discussing issues with the most experienced baseball officials there are only a finite number of situations that can be covered before the topics begin to come full circle and repeat themselves. I am curious as to how many times you had to revisit the topic of discussion that my initial post was about before you had ALL of these type of suggestions about proper decorum committed to memory? I sincerly doubt that you committed all of these things to memory just from word of mouth from other, more experienced umpires. I have umpired long enough I assure you, that I could have sat down and came up with a list of these items on my own. However I am not so arrogant that I believe I still can't learn a few new things from other officials from different backgrounds and geographical locations around the world.(Yes, I meant world, hello to the umpire who posts here from the U.K. and hello to the professor from Hong Kong) I have seen from my limited time involved with this forum that you are well respected for your rules application knowledge. I am not throwing stones your way, but I would like to know if you have ever worked as an assignor, or if you have ever held office in an association. If you have, you would know that taking on the additional responsibilities of each position requires the use of input from ouside resources. This is essential in training newer umpires IMO, and I will continue to pick the brains of any and all here who are courteous enough to help me along. You should maybe re-think your contention that all umpires that are new to this forum, not YOUR forum, but THIS forum, are also newbie umpires as well. p.s.: You mentioned in your first post on this thread that you would join the fray against your better judgement. If it was against your better judgement to join in, then why did you feel the need to? Tim. __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ____________________ As umpires, we are the only ones in the world expected to be perfect on our first day on the job, and improve from there!
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Thu Jul 28, 2005, 12:29pm
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Well
Yes. Yes. Yes.
And I joined the fray because another voice was needed. This Forum is headed towards eTeamSleeze more each day. We answered the same questions Ad Naseum. REally, do you actually think we need even discuss guys that make out calls with their left hand, or even what hand you carry the indicator in? Trust me . . . there are better things for real umires (tm) to discuss. Let's talk about evaluators, let's talk about timing on ball/strikes. Better yet, why don't youse guys just keep on talking about pooorly trained umpire stuff. T
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Thu Jul 28, 2005, 12:49pm
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Tim,
Maybe, just maybe there are some here that are not yet privy to all the information that has been covered in this forum in the past. Since you seem so hell bent on telling us what we should and should not discuss here, why don't you tell us all the things we are allowed to discuss in your infinite wisdom! Maybe we can discuss why that last pitch you called a ball sounded like a strike!(:>) Tim.
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Thu Jul 28, 2005, 01:18pm
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Tee
This biblical quest your on is so enlightened. I really wish the rest of us low life heathens could see to it that posts were never brought up more than once.
For instace: the pitcher going to his mouth being a BALL not a BALK. - This should be on the 50 myths page. It was discussed here less than a month ago for 2-3 pages. We talked about seeing it called properly at big games, but you come on here and ask about it being a balk. AGAIN. Talk about ESLEEZE, maybe you need to look in a mirror once in awhile. But then again, that was a post for your interest sake, (one where you were trying to change the rules of baseball to protect an obviously sub-par umpire because one of the rats caught him with his pants down) not a scary new umpire trying to improve. You want to come on here and rail about how we all should post then if anyone tells you you say I'll post anyway I god damn well please. Well TEX, I think your post a month or so ago is getting to become more true than I ever thought possible, You may need to change your screen name to SMITTY soon.
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Thu Jul 28, 2005, 01:26pm
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Well,
At least 3apples I have enough guts to receive e-mails.
You're so funny, BigUmp: So that means we have to go back to the beginning EVERYTIME so we don't leave people in the dust: OK, "are the hands part of the bat?" Smitty (err, Tee)
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Thu Jul 28, 2005, 02:39pm
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Tim,
Whats with the WE ****? Do you have a mouse in your pocket? Are we choosing teams? Are you implying that you speak for others? Read the posts in this thread again and you will see just how many players are on your team on this one. Nobody asked you a direct personal question, so there was really no need for you to respond to this thread. If you felt this topic was " beneath you ", why didn't you just pass it over and let those who wished to respond to it do so without receiving criticizm from you? I think to please you, I'll now post a list of topics for you to choose a couple from for discussion. I would challenge you to open a thread on one of these following topics so we can discuss REAL umpiring questions. 1)The different organizational takes on whether or not a fielder can committ obstruction while in the act of fielding a ball. 2)Contact avoidance requirement without malicious contact. 3)What situations require intent on the part of a runner or batter in regards to interference. 4)Who should take trouble catches on a 90' diamond in a 2 man crew working the "V". 5)The difference between protecting to a base or base awards on obstruction calls. 6)Proper rotation for a 4 man crew on the 90' diamond. 7)Proper rotation for a 4 man crew on the 60' diamond. 8)IFF not called when warranted. 9)Right handed 3rd to 1st pick off moves. 10)Throwing to second from the windup. 11)Appealing a missed base with multiple runners. 12)Shared responsibility calls. 13)Umpires interference. 14)Spectators interference. 15)Catchers balk. I am sure these all are quite remedial to you, but enlighten us poor newbie slobs! Tim.
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