Unreported/Illegal Substitute

[Mbilica]

OBR: This is easy. No one is allowed to reenter at all, so when Davis is in the game he is an illegal substitute no matter who he replaces on defense. He is removed from the game immediately 5.10

NFHS: Im a little confused. It appears from the description that Lewis and Davis are both in the game in the bottom of the 3rd, with Davis illegally reentering for Howard in right field. After one pitch, it appears Lewis leaves and someone else comes in at 1st base? Lewis and Davis occupy the same spot in the batting order, so they obviously can't both be in the game. However, if the problem wasn't noticed until after Lewis left the game, then I have nothing. Davis came in for Lewis and is playing a different position, but that would not be illegal. You have to catch the illegal substitute on defense while he is still illegal or before the first pitch to the next batter if he was involved in a play. If neither Lewis or Davis was involved in a play while they were both in the game, then there is no penalty because it wasn't noticed. 2-36-3c. 3-1

I don't have the NCAA rules handy

Please feel free to correct me, as I don't work NFHS at all, and I'm sure there are plenty here more knowledgeable than I with either OBR or fed rules.

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[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Mbilica

OBR: This is easy. No one is allowed to reenter at all, so when Davis is in the game he is an illegal substitute no matter who he replaces on defense. He is removed from the game immediately 5.10

NFHS: Im a little confused. It appears from the description that Lewis and Davis are both in the game in the bottom of the 3rd, with Davis illegally reentering for Howard in right field. After one pitch, it appears Lewis leaves and someone else comes in at 1st base? Lewis and Davis occupy the same spot in the batting order, so they obviously can't both be in the game. However, if the problem wasn't noticed until after Lewis left the game, then I have nothing. Davis came in for Lewis and is playing a different position, but that would not be illegal. You have to catch the illegal substitute on defense while he is still illegal or before the first pitch to the next batter if he was involved in a play. If neither Lewis or Davis was involved in a play while they were both in the game, then there is no penalty because it wasn't noticed. 2-36-3c. 3-1

I don't have the NCAA rules handy

Please feel free to correct me, as I don't work NFHS at all, and I'm sure there are plenty here more knowledgeable than I with either OBR or fed rules.

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No where in the OP did I say that.

MTD, Sr.

[Mbilica]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

No where in the OP did I say that.

MTD, Sr.

Then something is wrong. The HomeTeam HC doesn't realize that Lewis is still in the game at 1st base? Clearly if Lewis is in the game at 1st and Davis is in right when the umpire is notified, Davis should be ejected. Howard can reenter in his batting order spot if he was a starter.

I also notice that you mention a Visiting Team HC and then a Home Team HC but do not indicate which team Davis, Lewis, and Howard are playing for. Presumably based on the beginning of the OP, they play for the visitors. So, what is the Home team HC doing telling you about Lewis? Is he declaring an illegal sub? Im still confused.

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[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Mbilica

Then something is wrong. The HomeTeam HC doesn't realize that Lewis is still in the game at 1st base? Clearly if Lewis is in the game at 1st and Davis is in right when the umpire is notified, Davis should be ejected. Howard can reenter in his batting order spot if he was a starter.

I also notice that you mention a Visiting Team HC and then a Home Team HC but do not indicate which team Davis, Lewis, and Howard are playing for. Presumably based on the beginning of the OP, they play for the visitors. So, what is the Home team HC doing telling you about Lewis? Is he declaring an illegal sub? Im still confused.

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It is very simple. Just read the Situation and then issue a ruling. What happened is very straight forward.

MTD, Sr.