Umpire mechanics question

[voiceoflg]

3 man crew, FED playoffs, R2, 1 out. Fly ball to CF and caught. R2 tags up and takes third after the catch. Where are the umpires before the pitch, where do they go during the play and who is watching what?

Thanks in advance.

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by voiceoflg

3 man crew, FED playoffs, R2, 1 out. Fly ball to CF and caught. R2 tags up and takes third after the catch. Where are the umpires before the pitch, where do they go during the play and who is watching what?

Thanks in advance.

So few 3 Man games in FED, no telling

[RPatrino]

Originally Posted by voiceoflg

3 man crew, FED playoffs, R2, 1 out. Fly ball to CF and caught. R2 tags up and takes third after the catch. Where are the umpires before the pitch, where do they go during the play and who is watching what?

Thanks in advance.

We have U1, U3 and PU, for the purposes of this play. Pre pitch alignment with a R2 is, U1 is in B and U3 is in D. The catch/no catch is divided with U3 taking the LF moving in, back or toward the LF line, U1 taking the "V" and PU taking the RF moving toward the RF line (this is roughly a 20/70/10 split of the field). The fly to CF is U1's call, he has responsbilility for the tagup as well so he must line up the catch and tag within the working area. U3 has R2 into 3rd.

PU in this case pretty much observes the action.

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by RPatrino

We have U1, U3 and PU, for the purposes of this play. Pre pitch alignment with a R2 is, U1 is in B and U3 is in D. The catch/no catch is divided with U3 taking the LF moving in, back or toward the LF line, U1 taking the "V" and PU taking the RF moving toward the RF line (this is roughly a 20/70/10 split of the field). The fly to CF is U1's call, he has responsbilility for the tagup as well so he must line up the catch and tag within the working area. U3 has R2 into 3rd.

PU in this case pretty much observes the action.

Thanks, Pattie, this is why 3 Man is a st00pid option for FED; it's more about looking keen and adding another ump to the payroll than getting calls right.

[RPatrino]

I'll tell you what is REALLY idiotic is 4 man on the 60' field. We used 2 man in the playoff for the preliminary rounds and 3 man for quarter and semi's and 4 man for final games.

I believe it was in 2005 that the NCAA changed their mechanics to allow the inside umpire to go out on trouble balls. That one change alone made 3 man worth it, because the only advantage 3 man has over 2 man is the ability to have an umpire go out on every trouble ball.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by RPatrino

... because the only advantage 3 man has over 2 man is the ability to have an umpire go out on every trouble ball.

Your appreciation and understanding of three man appears, by this statement, to be limited.

[RPatrino]

I will amend my statement to...'one' of the advantages of 3 man vs. 2 man is the ability to have an umpire go out on trouble balls.

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Your appreciation and understanding of three man appears, by this statement, to be limited.

So you call 3 Man all the time? 3 Man is an academic study for the rest of us, I bow to your consistent use of 3 Man. Please enlighten.

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Your appreciation and understanding of three man appears, by this statement, to be limited.

Maybe that has something to do with limited use of it? I dunno, some, no, most of us don't have the time to spend massive amount of daily hours reading the nuances of X man mechanics, of course, and as always, YDayMV and certainly does.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Your appreciation and understanding of three man appears, by this statement, to be limited.

Yup. Matter of fact I could argue (quite convincingly) that 3 is the sweet spot in terms of number of umpires.

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by RPatrino

I'll tell you what is REALLY idiotic is 4 man on the 60' field. We used 2 man in the playoff for the preliminary rounds and 3 man for quarter and semi's and 4 man for final games.

4 man on 60', no kidding, who died running into each other?

I believe it was in 2005 that the NCAA changed their mechanics to allow the inside umpire to go out on trouble balls. That one change alone made 3 man worth it, because the only advantage 3 man has over 2 man is the ability to have an umpire go out on every trouble ball.

You know, I see a few more but I agree that may well be the best advantage of 3 vs 2 and that assumes that everyone gets their 3 man mechanics tight on those troubled balls.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by fitump56

Thanks, Pattie, this is why 3 Man is a st00pid option for FED; it's more about looking keen and adding another ump to the payroll than getting calls right.

Please explain why you think this is "stupid." It's the same mechanic for CCA and OBR (with perhaps some variants on whether the umpire in the middle has the "big V" or the "little V").

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Please explain why you think this is "stupid." It's the same mechanic for CCA and OBR (with perhaps some variants on whether the umpire in the middle has the "big V" or the "little V").

See other posts, asked and answered Bob. I don't call CCA, how many FED umps do? OBR mechanics, are you talking PBUC? FED mechanics to PBUC? Two man OBRs?

What is stupid is to put umps in a set of mechanics they rarely use.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by fitump56

See other posts, asked and answered Bob.

As a point of posting etiquette -- there's no need to repsond to each and every post, especially when you're making the same point.

I don't call CCA, how many FED umps do? OBR mechanics, are you talking PBUC? FED mechanics to PBUC? Two man OBRs?

Yes, I meant PBUC (or any other mechanics used in leagues that use OBR). The point is, you criticised a specific coverage under FED mechanics, when the coverage is the same under all (large-diamond) mechanics. What would you propose instead?

What is stupid is to put umps in a set of mechanics they rarely use.

On this topic, I generally agree. "Competent" two-person mechanics are better than "incompetent" three-person mechanics. And, if the individuals don't have the proper training, the time to get it is NOT during the most important games. Still, that sounds like a problem with your area / association than with any specific mechanics or plan to use 3 umpires during the playoffs. Many areas provide that training during the season.

[etn_ump]

Originally Posted by fitump56

Thanks, Pattie, this is why 3 Man is a st00pid option for FED; it's more about looking keen and adding another ump to the payroll than getting calls right.

That is, quite possibly, the stupidest post I've ever read on this board.