Iowa Girls Experimentation with two halves

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

With power and control comes the irresistible urge to change things. Besides, if the two sides ever really converged completely, one bureaucracy would be redundant. And that is a situation too frightening to contemplate.

Yeah, yeah, but the girls union would always have bowling, volleyball, and softball.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

With power and control comes the irresistible urge to change things. Besides, if the two sides ever really converged completely, one bureaucracy would be redundant. And that is a situation too frightening to contemplate.

There were a lot of rules for a few years that were hold-overs from the six-player era. A few years ago, they started drifting towards conformity; even going as far as removing the coaching box adaptation and moving the girls back down on the free throw lane (funny in hind sight).

Since there are other sports involved, I doubt they'll ever consolidate the state level organizations. I'm not sure how many other states have separate governing bodies for girls verses boys, either.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

There were a lot of rules for a few years that were hold-overs from the six-player era. A few years ago, they started drifting towards conformity; even going as far as removing the coaching box adaptation and moving the girls back down on the free throw lane (funny in hind sight).

Since there are other sports involved, I doubt they'll ever consolidate the state level organizations. I'm not sure how many other states have separate governing bodies for girls verses boys, either.

I am not aware of any other states that operate this way. The only thing remotely similar I've heard of was when Michigan (Minnesota?) ran boys and girls basketball seasons separately. If there are other states that operate with separate boys and girls organizations, I think we'd have heard about it here. And for all the same reasons we've heard about Iowa.

Speaking of the Michigan controversy, I'm surprised nobody in Iowa has gone berserk over having separate organizations for boys and girls sports. Surely somebody trouble maker is going to argue that it's some kind of Title IX violation, and that "separate but equal" is not only illegal but unconstitutional. I'm not arguing for that to happen, just surprised that it hasn't.

[Adam]

I believe Washington has separate governing organizations, but I'm not positive about that. I was told back in the early 90's that Iowa was the only state that did so, but a friend in WA said were similarly divided.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch

Yeah, yeah, but the girls union would always have bowling, volleyball, and softball.

Boys have bowling still

-Josh

[jdmara]

It would be very nice for all the officials to have one association. It's a pain in the butt to remember to register with both associations/unions because the dates you can register are different (or at least have been in the past). I've heard of officials going through the entire basketball season, doing both girls and boys games, then getting to the end of the season and not getting a tourney game. After investigating the issue, they come to find out that they were never registered for the girls' union Opps!

-Josh

Originally Posted by jdmara

Boys have bowling still

-Josh

I didn't realize that till you mentioned it. Went on the IHSAA website and saw that. Interesting...so the only girls sports that doesn't have a "counterpart" at the boys association are softball and volleyball, right? Looking at both websites gives me a headache sometimes.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

All the girls in your state are in a union! So.....they have shop stewards observe what happens in the back seat at a drive-in to make sure there's no union violations?

To give a serious answer to an obviously unserious question, the governing bodies for Iowa high school athletics are the Iowa High School Athletic Association (boys) and the Iowa High School Girls Athletic Union (girls).

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

To give a serious answer to an obviously unserious question, the governing bodies for Iowa high school athletics are the Iowa High School Athletic Association (boys) and the Iowa High School Girls Athletic Union (girls).

Have you ever known Padgett to be serious?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch

Have you ever known Padgett to be serious?

Negative Ghost Rider.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch

I didn't realize that till you mentioned it. Went on the IHSAA website and saw that. Interesting...so the only girls sports that doesn't have a "counterpart" at the boys association are softball and volleyball, right? Looking at both websites gives me a headache sometimes.

I remembered that 9 years ago they did when I was still in high school. I didn't participate but I could probably tell some stories about a classmate who was known to bowl a heck of a lot better while inebriated. The bowling state tourney was a fun time for him from what I hear. Of course, I would have never participate in such high jinx as a youth (my parents would have whipped my butt). Anyways I digressed from the topic. That's why I checked to see if they still have bowling.

I believe the only non-equivalent sport is volleyball/football. Everything else is paired with an "equivalent sport" (baseball/softball, basketball/basketball, bowling/bowling, etc). Don't quote me on that though

-Josh

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jdmara

I remembered that 9 years ago they did when I was still in high school. I didn't participate but I could probably tell some stories about a classmate who was known to bowl a heck of a lot better while inebriated. The bowling state tourney was a fun time for him from what I hear. Of course, I would have never participate in such high jinx as a youth (my parents would have whipped my butt). Anyways I digressed from the topic. That's why I checked to see if they still have bowling.

I believe the only non-equivalent sport is volleyball/football. Everything else is paired with an "equivalent sport" (baseball/softball, basketball/basketball, bowling/bowling, etc). Don't quote me on that though

-Josh

You forget wrestling. You can't possibly have grown up in Iowa if you forgot wrestling.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You forget wrestling. You can't possibly have grown up in Iowa if you forgot wrestling.

Forgive me, for I have REALLY sinned. Wow, I think I'm going to go grab a 6 foot length of rope from the store after a mistake like that. My family has been shamed by their middle son.

(However, there are a few girls that do wrestle in HS (or so I've heard). I'm not talking about in the backseat of the caviler either)

-Josh

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jdmara

Forgive me, for I have REALLY sinned. Wow, I think I'm going to go grab a 6 foot length of rope from the store after a mistake like that. My family has been shamed by their middle son.

(However, there are a few girls that do wrestle in HS (or so I've heard). I'm not talking about in the backseat of the caviler either)

-Josh

There always have been a few, more than played football IIRC. Almost made me want to wrestle.

And don't worry, all middle sons shame their families. It's just part of the deal.

[Mark Padgett]

From my HS in 1961.