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C. When four balls have been called by the umpire. The batter-runner is awarded first base. That being the case, wouldn't all runners forced to advance as a result of a BB be considered moving to awarded bases? If the response is "no", please explain the logic.
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The other codes are odd here, not ASA... Why would the other runners be AWARDED the next base - they are allowed to advance, and should do so...
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Bases loaded, two outs, B6 receives a walk. R1 lollygags coming home, while R2 hustles to 3rd, overruns the base, and is tagged out having passed 3rd BEFORE R1 reaches home. If only the batter is awarded (the rule you cited), and the others are simply forced (ASA), then the run does not score. If bases to all forced runners are "awarded" (NCAA and NFHS), then the run scores, despite the 3rd out on a timing play preceding the run. Most of us (I believe, but certainly I) think the ASA ruling is more appropriate, and see no rule (other than an approved/case play ruling) that creates nor supports the NCAA and NFHS position.
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Situation: Bases loaded, 3-2 count. Runners are going on the pitch. Batter does not swing and it is called ball 4. Catcher for some reason throws to third. Runner slides in, touches 3rd and overslides third base. She is tagged out after coming off the base, before the runner from third touches home. Under ASA rules the run would not score. I personally think that the bases all should be considered awarded bases is so much as the run scoring goes. I have no problem calling the runner out at third on this, but the run should still score in my opinion. I don't think this should be a timing play situation. |
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If the offense chooses to or makes the error of placing themselves in jeopardy, that is all on them. The defense should not take a hit for making a good play on a bad base running.
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Which means in your words that the defense WOULD "take a hit" for making a good play on a bad base running action. I.E. the run would count in both NFHS and NCAA. I don't do NCAA, but I'm going to have to remember which hat I'm wearing if I'm ever confronted with this play in a game.
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If they intend to treat this as an award, change the rule to state that all runners are awarded a base. Currently (as in ASA) it merely states forced runners are allowed to advance a base without liability to be put out.
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