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Old Mon Jul 06, 2015, 12:04pm
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If I understand correctly (a stretch, I know), then I am glad I made this a separate thread and not included it in Andy's thread about un-ringing a swing. I thought there would be similarities.

My comprehension in summarizing the two threads:

1. PU sees and calls a swing that BU knows was not a swing.
We eat that call.

2. BU sees and calls a pulled foot that PU knows was not a pulled foot.
We can change that call.

Aren't both situations here judgement calls?

Here is where I am confused.
Isn't going for help to ask for missing information?
Rather than a 2nd opinion about a judgement?

If the latter, where do we draw the line? (Assuming there is a line to draw)

Please advise.
"Was her foot on the bag?" is asking for a missing piece of information needed to make a call.


"What did you have on that call?" is asking for a second opinion on a judgement.

One thing that I was taught as a general rule is that when you go to your partner for help, you ask a question that will have a YES or NO answer.

Was the foot on the base?
Do you have a tag?
Did she bobble the ball?

By doing this, you are not asking for an opinion on your judgment, you are asking for a missing "piece of the puzzle" necessary to make that judgement
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Old Mon Jul 06, 2015, 01:05pm
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"Was her foot on the bag?" is asking for a missing piece of information needed to make a call.


"What did you have on that call?" is asking for a second opinion on a judgement.

One thing that I was taught as a general rule is that when you go to your partner for help, you ask a question that will have a YES or NO answer.

Was the foot on the base?
Do you have a tag?
Did she bobble the ball?

By doing this, you are not asking for an opinion on your judgment, you are asking for a missing "piece of the puzzle" necessary to make that judgement
Agree, as specific as possible.

Also, the partner should say nothing until asked and only what is asked.
Also, just umpires in the conversation.
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Old Mon Jul 06, 2015, 08:40pm
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"Was her foot on the bag?" is asking for a missing piece of information needed to make a call.


"What did you have on that call?" is asking for a second opinion on a judgement.

One thing that I was taught as a general rule is that when you go to your partner for help, you ask a question that will have a YES or NO answer.

Was the foot on the base?
Do you have a tag?
Did she bobble the ball?

By doing this, you are not asking for an opinion on your judgment, you are asking for a missing "piece of the puzzle" necessary to make that judgement
Quickest way for a partner to tick me off is to come to me for help and say "Whatcha got?" After a few years I finally figured out the answer should have been, "High blood pressure from fielding stupid questions from my partner!"
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Old Wed Jul 08, 2015, 12:34pm
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Quickest way for a partner to tick me off is to come to me for help and say "Whatcha got?" After a few years I finally figured out the answer should have been, "High blood pressure from fielding stupid questions from my partner!"
I was discussing this with an occasional partner a few weeks ago; I like his standard answer: "I got what you got."
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