Opinions requested

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

The conversation should not have happened, but not for that reason. This is the reason:
(btw, he didn't "argue balls and strikes," he asked about judgement on a swing)


PU should have said: "Coach, I have it as a swing, it is a swing." Case closed. Asking your partner's opinion is for after the game.

If I were Andy:


I'm stopping PU before he gets there with the phrase: "you called it a strike." Quite possibly an emphatic point.

I can understand why Andy may have had a full conversation, as he might be training newer umpires. If my partner is a newer guy, I'm saying the same, but maybe not so overtly (or where other can hear). Then we have a good post-game.

That's arguing balls and strikes in the baseball world.

[tcannizzo]

You can't un-ring a swing.

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by Rich

That's arguing balls and strikes in the baseball world.

That applies to PITCH LOCATION, i.e., the strike zone. That's what the rule is intended to prevent. Checked swings, bunt, slap, etc., is not subject to the warning for arguing balls & strikes. It doesn't mean you can't warn them, just not for that reason.

[EsqUmp]

If the plate umpire starts coming out toward me, I am going to say, "You have a swing on that. Let's play ball." I am going to turn around and not allow anything further to happen. I'm not going to show up my partner. I'm not going to allow a conversation where I'm going to be partially to blame for an incorrect call. Play ball.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

That applies to PITCH LOCATION, i.e., the strike zone. That's what the rule is intended to prevent. Checked swings, bunt, slap, etc., is not subject to the warning for arguing balls & strikes. It doesn't mean you can't warn them, just not for that reason.

In baseball, it's arguing balls and strikes. Period.

[azbigdawg]

Originally Posted by Rich

In baseball, it's arguing balls and strikes. Period.

Good thing that baseball is irrelevant to this conversation.

Andy... see me in my office on this one....

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by Rich

In baseball, it's arguing balls and strikes. Period.

If you show me something in writing I will accept it.