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I love it.
Although I must say ... if such a protest came to me, my first thought is going to be coming down rather hard on the umpire who did not collect lineup cards, even if they were as esteemed an umpire as Atl. Then again ... I've truly never heard of a group that didn't take lineups at the plate, with the possible exception of preseason scrimmages and/or post-season all-star style scrimmages - where you have no lineup rules anyway.
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Gentlemen: Read my original post, the rules are already in place and there is no need to formulate some sort of compromise. Inform the HCs at the pre-game conference that the conference will not go forward until they produce copies of their team's lineups for you. MTD, Sr.
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Yep, read your post.
Not everything in my world is as absolute as it appears to be in yours. I get this would never happen to you. But it happened someplace else. Other than time travel back to the plate conference or even before, do you have any other pearls of wisdom?
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OK, I get all the lecturing on never go ahead without a lineup card, and I agree with that if the lineup rules are expected to be enforced by the book.
But, in the moment as described in the OP, you have no ideal solution. Your only real choice, since it was stated that each team is managing their own lineup, is to consider the team's book as official, just as if it was in your pocket. Examine the book. That would settle the "announced" or "unannounced" question. Since the PU is not keeping a lineup, telling the PU is not announcing anything. If the notation in the book is for a CR, it is an illegal substitute. If the notation is for a pinch runner, no penalty. If there is no notation, it is an unannounced illegal substitute, since the coach verbally stated it was a CR. Again... this is my view on how the situation presented should have been handled once the plate meeting went as it did.
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