Immediate Out Call, or Wait for Appeal?

[UmpireErnie]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Books in the car. What does 2-50-1 and 2 say that leads you to that?

Not arguing ... just want to see the fine print.

(NFHS)
2-50-1 is definition of runner: "...an offensive player who is advancing to, touching or returning to a base."

2-50-2 is definition of retired runner: "..a player who has scored, or who has been put out and who is still in live ball territory."

So i think the reasoning here is when teammate picked her up and sent her returning to a base she is now by definition a runner again and so is out under 8-6-5. No need to wait till she touches home.

In ASA there is no definition of a "Retired runner". However in 8-7-E Exception it states that in this specific situation the ball is dead at the time of the teammate assistance and all runners return to base occupied at time of the assistance. The runner who had missed home and was illegally assisted is out.

Note in ASA this is only time when illegal physical assistance is a dead ball it normally is assisted runner out and ball remains alive and in play.

In effect looks like only real difference between NFHS and ASA is that if this happens in ASA we kill the ball and in NFHS we keep it alive. Either way the assisted player who missed home is out when illegally assisted.