flex batting in 10th spot

[CecilOne]

This has been a confusion as long as FLEX has existed and we have discussed it several times without a real resolution.

In the OP, by the time the DP bats, there have been three violations. If the #1 batter batted after the FLEX, then the FLEX either
- illegally batted or
- BOO for the DP, which means the #1 also BOO.

The OP implies the appeal was after the DP batted before anything else occurred. The DP was not replaced by the FLEX if she batted and is not BOO at that point because she followed #2 batter.

So, the penalty has to be for the FLEX batting at all, as above depending on rule set.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

This has been a confusion as long as FLEX has existed and we have discussed it several times without a real resolution. ...

Here's a situation for you, Cecil.

DP is the #1 batter in the order. FLEX is, of course, listed as #10. What if FLEX comes to bat after B9, gets a hit, and before DP (who is on-deck) comes to bat, the defense appeals BOO?

[CecilOne]

There is NO rule set that allows the FLEX to bat as the FLEX.
AFAIK, all DP/FLEX rules are the same.

There is at least one rule set that allows an AP to bat anywhere in the lineup, in an EP/EH matter; but they have no connection to the DP that goes with the FLEX.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Here's a situation for you, Cecil.

DP is the #1 batter in the order. FLEX is, of course, listed as #10. What if FLEX comes to bat after B9, gets a hit, and before DP (who is on-deck) comes to bat, the defense appeals BOO?

Not BOO. If they appeal illegal batter or whatever term applies, ok.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Not BOO. If they appeal illegal batter or whatever term applies, ok.

How would you know FLEX batted in the #10 spot, or she batted for the DP in the #1 spot? The fact that the DP is in the on-deck circle is immaterial, is it not? At the time of the appeal, this could be nothing more than an unannounced substitution of the DP. Until the DP physically occupies the batter's box, her status is unknown.

Or is that not true?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Manny A

How would you know FLEX batted in the #10 spot, or she batted for the DP in the #1 spot? The fact that the DP is in the on-deck circle is immaterial, is it not? At the time of the appeal, this could be nothing more than an unannounced substitution of the DP. Until the DP physically occupies the batter's box, her status is unknown.

Or is that not true?

If DP bats, the FLEX batted as #10, illegal.
If DP does not bat, the FLEX batted in the DP spot.
Either way, not BOO.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

If DP bats, the FLEX batted as #10, illegal.
If DP does not bat, the FLEX batted in the DP spot.
Either way, not BOO.

Sure, but until DP does something - we have Schroedinger's Cat.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Sure, but until DP does something - we have Schroedinger's Cat.

c'mon, Sheldon! Really? You want to do that here?

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

If DP bats, the FLEX batted as #10, illegal.
If DP does not bat, the FLEX batted in the DP spot.
Either way, not BOO.

Since the appeal was made before DP takes her position in the batter's box, DP does has not batted before a ruling needs to be made.

Bazinga!

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Since the appeal was made before DP takes her position in the batter's box, DP does has not batted before a ruling needs to be made.

Bazinga!

Fine, unreported change.