Fed question#2, "it shall be called a strike"

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I'm looking right at it.

At the exact words, "the pitch is ruled to be legal"? There is no such wording in the Effects 2 paragraph under 7-3-1 in my FED rule book, Mike.

[Insane Blue]

Originally Posted by Manny A

At the exact words, "the pitch is ruled to be legal"? There is no such wording in the Effects 2 paragraph under 7-3-1 in my FED rule book, Mike.

Manny Young Ump was asking about this quote from Mike

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

7-3-1-eff2
lf the pitcher stops or hesitates in her delivery as a result of the batter stepping out of the box or holding up her hand to request time, it shall not be an illegal pitch.

And yes it's from the book

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Manny A

At the exact words, "the pitch is ruled to be legal"? There is no such wording in the Effects 2 paragraph under 7-3-1 in my FED rule book, Mike.

Interestingly, I quoted it for you, told you where it was ... and you somehow misquote me. Does my quote say "the pitch is ruled to be legal"? Nope. It says what I quoted. Twice. Verbatim. "lf the pitcher stops or hesitates in her delivery as a result of the batter stepping out of the box or holding up her hand to request time, it shall not be an illegal pitch."

[shagpal]

Man, moderating must be a really tough gig.

How do you manage?

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Interestingly, I quoted it for you, told you where it was ... and you somehow misquote me. Does my quote say "the pitch is ruled to be legal"? Nope. It says what I quoted. Twice. Verbatim. "lf the pitcher stops or hesitates in her delivery as a result of the batter stepping out of the box or holding up her hand to request time, it shall not be an illegal pitch."

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by Insane Blue

Manny Young Ump was asking about this quote from Mike...

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Interestingly, I quoted it for you, told you where it was ... and you somehow misquote me. Does my quote say "the pitch is ruled to be legal"? Nope. It says what I quoted. Twice. Verbatim. "lf the pitcher stops or hesitates in her delivery as a result of the batter stepping out of the box or holding up her hand to request time, it shall not be an illegal pitch."

Groan...

Folks, please refer to youngump's post #49. Read the last sentence that starts with "Separately in this thread..."

Originally Posted by youngump

Yeah, I'll ask for the local take on this when I get a chance.

This isn't wordsmithing, though. The rule very clearly says what Steve said it says. That may not be the way they want it called (it wouldn't be the first such rule), but this isn't getting fancy with the words it's just taking them as written.

Separately in this thread you've quoted "the pitch is ruled to be legal", where does that phrase come from?

[MD Longhorn]

OK - I found where I used the phrase referred to. I was not quoting the rulebook there, I was summarizing the rule I quoted 3 times - using quotes to separate the phrase instead of putting hyphens between each word - which is hard to read. It was not a quote of the rule. Sorry for the confusion.

[Little Jimmy]

I have been following everything said since I first posted the question. Haven't said much (yes, I am a lurker, but I've surmised a couple of things. One is that there isn't a definitive, clear answer to this question. And two is that there should be. This is obviously a poorly worded group of rules that seems to want to do the right thing but can't get out of it's own way. I wish (and it's just a wish) that the Fed had a "hotline" if you will to clarify things like this. I believe NCAA had "Ask Dee" a few years back. I've found, like some have said, that the state guy doesn't always know what their talking about. They're just giving personal opinions that aren't necessarily any more learned than mine.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by Little Jimmy

I have been following everything said since I first posted the question. Haven't said much (yes, I am a lurker, but I've surmised a couple of things. One is that there isn't a definitive, clear answer to this question. And two is that there should be. This is obviously a poorly worded group of rules that seems to want to do the right thing but can't get out of it's own way. I wish (and it's just a wish) that the Fed had a "hotline" if you will to clarify things like this. I believe NCAA had "Ask Dee" a few years back. I've found, like some have said, that the state guy doesn't always know what their talking about. They're just giving personal opinions that aren't necessarily any more learned than mine.

At the end of the day, it is highly unlikely that a pitcher is going to deliver a pitch illegally (leap, crowhop, violation of the 24, etc.) after the batter steps out of the box. The two scenarios in the book--a legally delivered pitch or an aborted motion--are the expected outcomes. So it probably doesn't make much difference that the book doesn't cover it.

[shagpal]

it is likely that the pitcher if she is unable to stop her motion, will slip off an errant pitch into the dirt, and if it is a D3K, the runner can earn getting on base.

that's fair.

Originally Posted by Manny A

At the end of the day, it is highly unlikely that a pitcher is going to deliver a pitch illegally (leap, crowhop, violation of the 24, etc.) after the batter steps out of the box. The two scenarios in the book--a legally delivered pitch or an aborted motion--are the expected outcomes. So it probably doesn't make much difference that the book doesn't cover it.