Team throws at PU

[EsqUmp]

Just because we watch a video for one particular reason doesn't mean we should disregard any other worth that it might have. Perhaps a new thread would be more appropriate so that people don't get side tracked. Since the issue with his indicator in his right hand was already brought up, anyone who is actually perceptive (not just looking to nitpick) would see that it is obviously apparent that the umpire has a problem with his left hand. He is unable to fully open up his fist or extend his fingers to give the count.

If a picture is worth a 1000 words, then watching a video is worth 10,000. Whether a clinician goes over things throughout the game to an audience or an evaluator tapes your game and gives a play by play, it's a great opportunity to learn what to do and what not to do.

[shagpal]

is this a pertinent issue?

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

Just because we watch a video for one particular reason doesn't mean we should disregard any other worth that it might have. Perhaps a new thread would be more appropriate so that people don't get side tracked. Since the issue with his indicator in his right hand was already brought up, anyone who is actually perceptive (not just looking to nitpick) would see that it is obviously apparent that the umpire has a problem with his left hand. He is unable to fully open up his fist or extend his fingers to give the count.

If a picture is worth a 1000 words, then watching a video is worth 10,000. Whether a clinician goes over things throughout the game to an audience or an evaluator tapes your game and gives a play by play, it's a great opportunity to learn what to do and what not to do.

[Insane Blue]

Since I personally know and work with this umpire I can tell you his training is top notch. He works college ball and has helped me become a better umpire.

As for tracking with the head (NOSE) that is the proper training for ASA.

If you watch the whole video you will see that his strike-zone is consistent.

Yes he is different in that he uses his indicator in his right hand but I know a few other old timers that do this.

From what I have heard I the coach has been dismissed but I do not have first hand knowledge of this.

I can tell you that most local umpires will walk off the field if this coach shows up.

[Manny A]

I didn't watch the entire game video, so I cannot comment on the umpire's abilities. I'm sure, given the event, that he is quite capable to hold his own.

But I was a little concerned when someone from the stands asked where the last pitch was located, and he answered with a hand gesture. Presumably this was a parent in the stands and not one of the college coaches watching the showcase. Regardless, those kinds of questions from the bleachers deserve no answers, even nonverbal ones, because they only result in further criticism as you can hear in the video.

I read the comments on the Ultimate College Softball Forum board that "Dakota" provided the link to, and I agree with many of them. But I haven't been able to find anything doing a quick Google search where there were any repercussions, be they charges filed by the umpire, dismissal of the coach, college offers being rescinded of the players, etc. etc. It may turn out that the instigators, whoever they are, will get away with it.

JMO

[shagpal]

that twirling hand gesture can also mean "same play", as in "infield fly" AGAIN. we used to use that in slowpitch, but haven't much since working fastpitch.

Originally Posted by Manny A

I didn't watch the entire game video, so I cannot comment on the umpire's abilities. I'm sure, given the event, that he is quite capable to hold his own.

But I was a little concerned when someone from the stands asked where the last pitch was located, and he answered with a hand gesture. Presumably this was a parent in the stands and not one of the college coaches watching the showcase. Regardless, those kinds of questions from the bleachers deserve no answers, even nonverbal ones, because they only result in further criticism as you can hear in the video.

I read the comments on the Ultimate College Softball Forum board that "Dakota" provided the link to, and I agree with many of them. But I haven't been able to find anything doing a quick Google search where there were any repercussions, be they charges filed by the umpire, dismissal of the coach, college offers being rescinded of the players, etc. etc. It may turn out that the instigators, whoever they are, will get away with it.

JMO

[SWFLguy]

WOW. I've been plunked in the chest by a pitch or two, but at a lower level of ball with a very incompetent catcher. One time in men's fastpitch I had a catcher let a ball go by him, but never saw a catcher bail out like that.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by shagpal

that twirling hand gesture can also mean "same play", as in "infield fly" AGAIN. we used to use that in slowpitch, but haven't much since working fastpitch.

Possibly, but highly unlikely given the timing of when the gesture was given. It happened right when someone asked where the pitch was.

And frankly, I've never seen that taught as a signal to partners, neither in baseball nor softball. Sure, it could have been something worked out at pregame. But giving it in the middle of a defensive conference, and right after the question from the stands? It clearly was perceived as an answer to that question.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Manny A

Possibly, but highly unlikely given the timing of when the gesture was given. It happened right when someone asked where the pitch was.

And frankly, I've never seen that taught as a signal to partners, neither in baseball nor softball. Sure, it could have been something worked out at pregame. But giving it in the middle of a defensive conference, and right after the question from the stands? It clearly was perceived as an answer to that question.

Don't think it was possible it could have been anything but a response to the AA behind the backstop.

Then again, I've never heard of such a signal. Maybe we should just move to ASL for everything we do

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by shagpal

that twirling hand gesture can also mean "same play", as in "infield fly" AGAIN. we used to use that in slowpitch, but haven't much since working fastpitch.

[shagpal]

it must be for you the middle finger.

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst

[Crabby_Bob]

Originally Posted by Manny A

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But I was a little concerned when someone from the stands asked where the last pitch was located, and he answered with a hand gesture. Presumably this was a parent in the stands and not one of the college coaches watching the showcase. Regardless, those kinds of questions from the bleachers deserve no answers, even nonverbal ones, because they only result in further criticism as you can hear in the video.

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JMO

^This^ Especially so because of the previous behavior of the coach, his outburst earlier in the inning, and the dopey comments by the "adults" in the stands.