Team throws at PU

[Skahtboi]

Here are some articles that were posted at UmpiringSoftball.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...all-on-purpose

http://larrybrownsports.com/softball...e-video/212975

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/12/coac...softball-game/

[ASA/NYSSOBLUE]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

Here are some articles that were posted at UmpiringSoftball.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...all-on-purpose

http://larrybrownsports.com/softball...e-video/212975

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/12/coac...softball-game/

all three pages seem to be dead...

[RKBUmp]

Something appears to have happened when the links were copied over. Try these, I can still get into them.

Softball Game Ends After Umpire Is Plunked with Ball on Purpose | Bleacher Report

Softball team organizes play to intentionally hit umpire in face with pitch (Video) | Larry Brown Sports

Coach draws up a cheap shot for umpire during softball game | For The Win

[shagpal]

I'm puzzled, because it was not head movement that got him head hunted, nor what hand he uses to hold his indicator.

what is the significance of pointing out such petty items?

Originally Posted by umpjim

Im wondering if he has had any training because in the full game video I noticed the head movement while tracking pitches and indicator in right hand. Those things would be corrected at any baseball umpire clinic. I think somewhere they say that this was a showcase for aspiring college players so that's why I presumed a college level game.

[3afan]

Originally Posted by shagpal

I'm puzzled, because it was not head movement that got him head hunted, nor what hand he uses to hold his indicator.

what is the significance of pointing out such petty items?

thats just what some people do ... :-)

[shagpal]

well, I would like to entertain his analysis.

Originally Posted by 3afan

thats just what some people do ... :-)

[Umpteenth]

Originally Posted by shagpal

I'm puzzled, because it was not head movement that got him head hunted, nor what hand he uses to hold his indicator.

what is the significance of pointing out such petty items?

Originally Posted by umpjim

Originally Posted by umpjim View Post
Im wondering if he has had any training because in the full game video I noticed the head movement while tracking pitches and indicator in right hand. Those things would be corrected at any baseball umpire clinic. I think somewhere they say that this was a showcase for aspiring college players so that's why I presumed a college level game.

Issues were highlighted by a baseball umpire.

[shagpal]

lotsa baseball guys work softball too.

I can see how some baseball guys as well as some softball umpires might want to smack this guy down for his tracking and holding the indicator in the wrong hand. but when teams are head hunting, there are far more important issues to address.

Originally Posted by Umpteenth

Issues were highlighted by a baseball umpire.

[EsqUmp]

Just because we watch a video for one particular reason doesn't mean we should disregard any other worth that it might have. Perhaps a new thread would be more appropriate so that people don't get side tracked. Since the issue with his indicator in his right hand was already brought up, anyone who is actually perceptive (not just looking to nitpick) would see that it is obviously apparent that the umpire has a problem with his left hand. He is unable to fully open up his fist or extend his fingers to give the count.

If a picture is worth a 1000 words, then watching a video is worth 10,000. Whether a clinician goes over things throughout the game to an audience or an evaluator tapes your game and gives a play by play, it's a great opportunity to learn what to do and what not to do.

[shagpal]

is this a pertinent issue?

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

Just because we watch a video for one particular reason doesn't mean we should disregard any other worth that it might have. Perhaps a new thread would be more appropriate so that people don't get side tracked. Since the issue with his indicator in his right hand was already brought up, anyone who is actually perceptive (not just looking to nitpick) would see that it is obviously apparent that the umpire has a problem with his left hand. He is unable to fully open up his fist or extend his fingers to give the count.

If a picture is worth a 1000 words, then watching a video is worth 10,000. Whether a clinician goes over things throughout the game to an audience or an evaluator tapes your game and gives a play by play, it's a great opportunity to learn what to do and what not to do.

[Insane Blue]

Since I personally know and work with this umpire I can tell you his training is top notch. He works college ball and has helped me become a better umpire.

As for tracking with the head (NOSE) that is the proper training for ASA.

If you watch the whole video you will see that his strike-zone is consistent.

Yes he is different in that he uses his indicator in his right hand but I know a few other old timers that do this.

From what I have heard I the coach has been dismissed but I do not have first hand knowledge of this.

I can tell you that most local umpires will walk off the field if this coach shows up.

[Manny A]

I didn't watch the entire game video, so I cannot comment on the umpire's abilities. I'm sure, given the event, that he is quite capable to hold his own.

But I was a little concerned when someone from the stands asked where the last pitch was located, and he answered with a hand gesture. Presumably this was a parent in the stands and not one of the college coaches watching the showcase. Regardless, those kinds of questions from the bleachers deserve no answers, even nonverbal ones, because they only result in further criticism as you can hear in the video.

I read the comments on the Ultimate College Softball Forum board that "Dakota" provided the link to, and I agree with many of them. But I haven't been able to find anything doing a quick Google search where there were any repercussions, be they charges filed by the umpire, dismissal of the coach, college offers being rescinded of the players, etc. etc. It may turn out that the instigators, whoever they are, will get away with it.

JMO

[shagpal]

that twirling hand gesture can also mean "same play", as in "infield fly" AGAIN. we used to use that in slowpitch, but haven't much since working fastpitch.

Originally Posted by Manny A

I didn't watch the entire game video, so I cannot comment on the umpire's abilities. I'm sure, given the event, that he is quite capable to hold his own.

But I was a little concerned when someone from the stands asked where the last pitch was located, and he answered with a hand gesture. Presumably this was a parent in the stands and not one of the college coaches watching the showcase. Regardless, those kinds of questions from the bleachers deserve no answers, even nonverbal ones, because they only result in further criticism as you can hear in the video.

I read the comments on the Ultimate College Softball Forum board that "Dakota" provided the link to, and I agree with many of them. But I haven't been able to find anything doing a quick Google search where there were any repercussions, be they charges filed by the umpire, dismissal of the coach, college offers being rescinded of the players, etc. etc. It may turn out that the instigators, whoever they are, will get away with it.

JMO

[SWFLguy]

WOW. I've been plunked in the chest by a pitch or two, but at a lower level of ball with a very incompetent catcher. One time in men's fastpitch I had a catcher let a ball go by him, but never saw a catcher bail out like that.

[Crabby_Bob]

Originally Posted by Manny A

...

But I was a little concerned when someone from the stands asked where the last pitch was located, and he answered with a hand gesture. Presumably this was a parent in the stands and not one of the college coaches watching the showcase. Regardless, those kinds of questions from the bleachers deserve no answers, even nonverbal ones, because they only result in further criticism as you can hear in the video.

...

JMO

^This^ Especially so because of the previous behavior of the coach, his outburst earlier in the inning, and the dopey comments by the "adults" in the stands.