OBS past base

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

(1) Where was F3 in relation to the BR? In front of, behind, next to?

(2) Where was the BR when s/he began to check up? How far from 1B?

(1) At the time of the OBS, a few feet inside foul line, a step or so closer to HP than BR; touched a foot to base as BR passed.

(2) 1 or 2 steps, foot coming down on the step before the one that reached the base.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

(1) At the time of the OBS, a few feet inside foul line, a step or so closer to HP than BR; touched a foot to base as BR passed.

(2) 1 or 2 steps, foot coming down on the step before the one that reached the base.

How can F3 be a step or so farther away from 1st, but touch a foot to the base as the BR passed?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

How can F3 be a step or so farther away from 1st, but touch a foot to the base as the BR passed?

Easily - because BR slowed down due to the OBS by F4, and F3 caught up with BR right at (and slightly before they touched) first base.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Easily - because BR slowed down due to the OBS by F4, and F3 caught up with BR right at (and slightly before they touched) first base.

OP stated F3 fielded the ball and BACKS toward the base. And would still like to know where it happened. That does make a difference.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

OP stated F3 fielded the ball and BACKS toward the base. And would still like to know where it happened. That does make a difference.

What MD said is logical, but not entirely the case.
I guess I didn't remember the "a step or so closer to HP than BR" part correctly. F3 must have been slightly ahead of the BR.

Are you trying to figure out if the delay of the BR was caused by F3 with the ball; pretty sure it was not because F3 was inside the line and the BR and F4 were on foul side.

Anyway, my main question is confirming that a fielder can obstruct even if past the base the R/BR is running to.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Anyway, my main question is confirming that a fielder can obstruct even if past the base the R/BR is running to.

The simple answer to just that is absolutely.

[nopachunts]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Anyway, my main question is confirming that a fielder can obstruct even if past the base the R/BR is running to.

How many times have you seen the runner have contact with F3 just past 1B or F6 just past 2B?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by nopachunts

How many times have you seen the runner have contact with F3 just past 1B or F6 just past 2B?

Many, but not usually hindering the approach to that base.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by nopachunts

How many times have you seen the runner have contact with F3 just past 1B or F6 just past 2B?

Lots, but those don't necessarily answer his question. Contact with F3 just past first base is OBS between 1st and 2nd 100% of the time (ditto F6 and between 2nd and 3rd).

What he is asking, though, is whether a runner can be obstructed on her way to FIRST, by a fielder beyond first base.

Answer - yes (and the OP, without all the questions about F3, is a good example).

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

What MD said is logical, but not entirely the case.
I guess I didn't remember the "a step or so closer to HP than BR" part correctly. F3 must have been slightly ahead of the BR.

Are you trying to figure out if the delay of the BR was caused by F3 with the ball; pretty sure it was not because F3 was inside the line and the BR and F4 were on foul side.

Anyway, my main question is confirming that a fielder can obstruct even if past the base the R/BR is running to.

Okay, let's start with fair/foul ground being irrelevant.

I wanted to know the relationship of the BR to F3 to determine how F3 took away moving inside.

I wanted to know the distance the BR was from the base because there is a difference between checking-up 10' away to avoid a collision and making a poor running decision 30' away from the base.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Okay, let's start with fair/foul ground being irrelevant.

Yes, just using the line as a descriptor of where they were.

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

I wanted to know the relationship of the BR to F3 to determine how F3 took away moving inside.

F3 not directly in the way, unless the BR moved left, so not an option for BR to avoid F4.

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

I wanted to know the distance the BR was from the base because there is a difference between checking-up 10' away to avoid a collision and making a poor running decision 30' away from the base.

As I said, last step or two before the base. Close enough for an actual collision with F4.