Enter the Marching Band

[EsqUmp]

I'm glad to see that ESPN shows so much footage of illegal conduct in the dugout, as the players drum away on buckets with balls. ESPN "announcers" love it and the umpires do nothing. No wonder I have to hear this every weekend and then hear, "We do it every game. Everyone does it on tv." Maybe we can get a tuba player in the dugout for the next game.

[UmpireErnie]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

I'm glad to see that ESPN shows so much footage of illegal conduct in the dugout, as the players drum away on buckets with balls. ESPN "announcers" love it and the umpires do nothing. No wonder I have to hear this every weekend and then hear, "We do it every game. Everyone does it on tv." Maybe we can get a tuba player in the dugout for the next game.

I'm guessing your watching Penn? Is there an NCAA rule against making noise in the dugout? Can't think of one in ASA or NFHS..

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by UmpireErnie

I'm guessing your watching Penn? Is there an NCAA rule against making noise in the dugout? Can't think of one in ASA or NFHS..

NCAA bans artificial noise makers and that applies to everyone in the venue with the exception of the band and even they are restricted as to when they can or cannot play.

And if there were a problem the NCAA rep would have instructed the teams and umpires.

An umpire who even mentions it to the coach sans direction is probably working their last NCAA post season game

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

I'm glad to see that ESPN shows so much footage of legal conduct in the dugout, as the players drum away on buckets with balls. ESPN "announcers" love it and the umpires do nothing. No wonder I have to hear this every weekend and then hear, "We do it every game. Everyone does it on tv." Maybe we can get a tuba player in the dugout for the next game.

There, fixed it for you!

[IRISHMAFIA]

Arizona wins on unearned run in bottom of 8th

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Arizona wins on unearned run in bottom of 8th

I guess I wont watch my recording.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

I guess I wont watch my recording.

If you were recording off ESPN, it doesn't make a difference, they did not show the 8th inning

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

There, fixed it for you!

I must have missed it. It wasn't broke, so nothing to be fixed.

[HugoTafurst]

Does some one want to state the actual rule pertaining to banging balls on the dugout?

If I get home before you do, ill find it and post it.
I. Don't believe it is as absolutevas some think.

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst

Does some one want to state the actual rule pertaining to banging balls on the dugout?

If I get home before you do, ill find it and post it.
I. Don't believe it is as absolutevas some think.

What could be more absolute than this:

13.4.2 No player or coach shall use equipment in any way other than what
is intended by the manufacturer (for example, banging bats and balls in a
dugout).
EFFECT—When brought to the attention of the umpire by the opposing
coach, the umpire shall issue a warning to the offending head
coach. Any subsequent violation shall result in the abused
equipment being removed from the game (not returned to the
dugout).

I'm not sure how someone could call himself a college umpire and not know a rule as simple as this.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

What could be more absolute than this:

13.4.2 No player or coach shall use equipment in any way other than what
is intended by the manufacturer (for example, banging bats and balls in a
dugout).
EFFECT—When brought to the attention of the umpire by the opposing
coach, the umpire shall issue a warning to the offending head
coach. Any subsequent violation shall result in the abused
equipment being removed from the game (not returned to the
dugout).

I'm not sure how someone could call himself a college umpire and not know a rule as simple as this.

Pay attention to this part.

If no one complains you don't do anything.

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Pay attention to this part.

If no one complains you don't do anything.

Well, that's not true. An umpire can direct that they stop. The difference is that you issue an official warning if it is brought to your attention by the opposing team. Which brings up another point: most umpires aren't properly documenting the warning and putting it into post-game reports where required.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

Well, that's not true. An umpire can direct that they stop. The difference is that you issue an official warning if it is brought to your attention by the opposing team. Which brings up another point: most umpires aren't properly documenting the warning and putting it into post-game reports where required.

Well, yes it is. It says the effect of the rule is that when brought to your attention by the opposing coach. . .

IOW - you only react if it's brought to your attention. If it didn't have that statement then you could react on your own. But it does have that statement.

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Well, yes it is. It says the effect of the rule is that when brought to your attention by the opposing coach. . .

IOW - you only react if it's brought to your attention. If it didn't have that statement then you could react on your own. But it does have that statement.

You simply are not comprehending the rule correctly. Nothing prohibits an umpire for addressing the issue on his own. The only difference is if the opposing team brings it to the umpire's attention first, then there is a warning and a penalty for a repeated act. But if you think that an umpire can't tell them to end the concert, you're dead wrong.

[HugoTafurst]

I'm with Ives, on this.
I don't care if they are banging balls on buckets.
In fact, I groove on it.

I have never had a coach complain

As far as the rule itself, I don't think it allows us to arbitrarily direct s team to stop.