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EsqUmp Sat May 18, 2013 06:28pm

Enter the Marching Band
 
I'm glad to see that ESPN shows so much footage of illegal conduct in the dugout, as the players drum away on buckets with balls. ESPN "announcers" love it and the umpires do nothing. No wonder I have to hear this every weekend and then hear, "We do it every game. Everyone does it on tv." Maybe we can get a tuba player in the dugout for the next game.

UmpireErnie Sat May 18, 2013 06:42pm

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Originally Posted by EsqUmp (Post 894756)
I'm glad to see that ESPN shows so much footage of illegal conduct in the dugout, as the players drum away on buckets with balls. ESPN "announcers" love it and the umpires do nothing. No wonder I have to hear this every weekend and then hear, "We do it every game. Everyone does it on tv." Maybe we can get a tuba player in the dugout for the next game.

I'm guessing your watching Penn? Is there an NCAA rule against making noise in the dugout? Can't think of one in ASA or NFHS..

IRISHMAFIA Sat May 18, 2013 06:49pm

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Originally Posted by UmpireErnie (Post 894757)
I'm guessing your watching Penn? Is there an NCAA rule against making noise in the dugout? Can't think of one in ASA or NFHS..

NCAA bans artificial noise makers and that applies to everyone in the venue with the exception of the band and even they are restricted as to when they can or cannot play.

And if there were a problem the NCAA rep would have instructed the teams and umpires.

An umpire who even mentions it to the coach sans direction is probably working their last NCAA post season game

Skahtboi Sat May 18, 2013 06:55pm

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Originally Posted by EsqUmp (Post 894756)
I'm glad to see that ESPN shows so much footage of legal conduct in the dugout, as the players drum away on buckets with balls. ESPN "announcers" love it and the umpires do nothing. No wonder I have to hear this every weekend and then hear, "We do it every game. Everyone does it on tv." Maybe we can get a tuba player in the dugout for the next game.

There, fixed it for you!

IRISHMAFIA Sat May 18, 2013 07:06pm

Arizona wins on unearned run in bottom of 8th

CecilOne Sat May 18, 2013 07:18pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 894763)
Arizona wins on unearned run in bottom of 8th

I guess I wont watch my recording. ;) :p :p :D :D

IRISHMAFIA Sat May 18, 2013 07:35pm

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Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 894767)
I guess I wont watch my recording. ;) :p :p :D :D

If you were recording off ESPN, it doesn't make a difference, they did not show the 8th inning

EsqUmp Sat May 18, 2013 09:52pm

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Originally Posted by Skahtboi (Post 894761)
There, fixed it for you!

I must have missed it. It wasn't broke, so nothing to be fixed.

HugoTafurst Sun May 19, 2013 06:41am

ncaa rule
 
Does some one want to state the actual rule pertaining to banging balls on the dugout?

If I get home before you do, ill find it and post it.
I. Don't believe it is as absolutevas some think.

EsqUmp Sun May 19, 2013 07:47am

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Originally Posted by HugoTafurst (Post 894786)
Does some one want to state the actual rule pertaining to banging balls on the dugout?

If I get home before you do, ill find it and post it.
I. Don't believe it is as absolutevas some think.

What could be more absolute than this:

13.4.2 No player or coach shall use equipment in any way other than what
is intended by the manufacturer (for example, banging bats and balls in a
dugout
).
EFFECT—When brought to the attention of the umpire by the opposing
coach, the umpire shall issue a warning to the offending head
coach. Any subsequent violation shall result in the abused
equipment being removed from the game (not returned to the
dugout).

I'm not sure how someone could call himself a college umpire and not know a rule as simple as this. :rolleyes:

Rich Ives Sun May 19, 2013 09:32am

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Originally Posted by EsqUmp (Post 894789)
What could be more absolute than this:

13.4.2 No player or coach shall use equipment in any way other than what
is intended by the manufacturer (for example, banging bats and balls in a
dugout
).
EFFECT—When brought to the attention of the umpire by the opposing
coach,
the umpire shall issue a warning to the offending head
coach. Any subsequent violation shall result in the abused
equipment being removed from the game (not returned to the
dugout).

I'm not sure how someone could call himself a college umpire and not know a rule as simple as this. :rolleyes:


Pay attention to this part.

If no one complains you don't do anything.

EsqUmp Sun May 19, 2013 12:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Ives (Post 894792)
Pay attention to this part.

If no one complains you don't do anything.

Well, that's not true. An umpire can direct that they stop. The difference is that you issue an official warning if it is brought to your attention by the opposing team. Which brings up another point: most umpires aren't properly documenting the warning and putting it into post-game reports where required.

Rich Ives Sun May 19, 2013 01:30pm

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Originally Posted by EsqUmp (Post 894798)
Well, that's not true. An umpire can direct that they stop. The difference is that you issue an official warning if it is brought to your attention by the opposing team. Which brings up another point: most umpires aren't properly documenting the warning and putting it into post-game reports where required.

Well, yes it is. It says the effect of the rule is that when brought to your attention by the opposing coach. . .

IOW - you only react if it's brought to your attention. If it didn't have that statement then you could react on your own. But it does have that statement.

EsqUmp Sun May 19, 2013 02:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Ives (Post 894800)
Well, yes it is. It says the effect of the rule is that when brought to your attention by the opposing coach. . .

IOW - you only react if it's brought to your attention. If it didn't have that statement then you could react on your own. But it does have that statement.

You simply are not comprehending the rule correctly. Nothing prohibits an umpire for addressing the issue on his own. The only difference is if the opposing team brings it to the umpire's attention first, then there is a warning and a penalty for a repeated act. But if you think that an umpire can't tell them to end the concert, you're dead wrong.

HugoTafurst Sun May 19, 2013 03:19pm

I'm with Ives, on this.
I don't care if they are banging balls on buckets.
In fact, I groove on it.

I have never had a coach complain

As far as the rule itself, I don't think it allows us to arbitrarily direct s team to stop.


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