Enter the Marching Band

[EsqUmp]

I'm glad to see that ESPN shows so much footage of illegal conduct in the dugout, as the players drum away on buckets with balls. ESPN "announcers" love it and the umpires do nothing. No wonder I have to hear this every weekend and then hear, "We do it every game. Everyone does it on tv." Maybe we can get a tuba player in the dugout for the next game.

[UmpireErnie]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

I'm glad to see that ESPN shows so much footage of illegal conduct in the dugout, as the players drum away on buckets with balls. ESPN "announcers" love it and the umpires do nothing. No wonder I have to hear this every weekend and then hear, "We do it every game. Everyone does it on tv." Maybe we can get a tuba player in the dugout for the next game.

I'm guessing your watching Penn? Is there an NCAA rule against making noise in the dugout? Can't think of one in ASA or NFHS..

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by UmpireErnie

I'm guessing your watching Penn? Is there an NCAA rule against making noise in the dugout? Can't think of one in ASA or NFHS..

NCAA bans artificial noise makers and that applies to everyone in the venue with the exception of the band and even they are restricted as to when they can or cannot play.

And if there were a problem the NCAA rep would have instructed the teams and umpires.

An umpire who even mentions it to the coach sans direction is probably working their last NCAA post season game

[IRISHMAFIA]

Arizona wins on unearned run in bottom of 8th

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Arizona wins on unearned run in bottom of 8th

I guess I wont watch my recording.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

I guess I wont watch my recording.

If you were recording off ESPN, it doesn't make a difference, they did not show the 8th inning

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

I'm glad to see that ESPN shows so much footage of legal conduct in the dugout, as the players drum away on buckets with balls. ESPN "announcers" love it and the umpires do nothing. No wonder I have to hear this every weekend and then hear, "We do it every game. Everyone does it on tv." Maybe we can get a tuba player in the dugout for the next game.

There, fixed it for you!

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

There, fixed it for you!

I must have missed it. It wasn't broke, so nothing to be fixed.

[HugoTafurst]

Does some one want to state the actual rule pertaining to banging balls on the dugout?

If I get home before you do, ill find it and post it.
I. Don't believe it is as absolutevas some think.

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst

Does some one want to state the actual rule pertaining to banging balls on the dugout?

If I get home before you do, ill find it and post it.
I. Don't believe it is as absolutevas some think.

What could be more absolute than this:

13.4.2 No player or coach shall use equipment in any way other than what
is intended by the manufacturer (for example, banging bats and balls in a
dugout).
EFFECT—When brought to the attention of the umpire by the opposing
coach, the umpire shall issue a warning to the offending head
coach. Any subsequent violation shall result in the abused
equipment being removed from the game (not returned to the
dugout).

I'm not sure how someone could call himself a college umpire and not know a rule as simple as this.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

What could be more absolute than this:

13.4.2 No player or coach shall use equipment in any way other than what
is intended by the manufacturer (for example, banging bats and balls in a
dugout).
EFFECT—When brought to the attention of the umpire by the opposing
coach, the umpire shall issue a warning to the offending head
coach. Any subsequent violation shall result in the abused
equipment being removed from the game (not returned to the
dugout).

I'm not sure how someone could call himself a college umpire and not know a rule as simple as this.

Pay attention to this part.

If no one complains you don't do anything.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

What could be more absolute than this:

13.4.2 No player or coach shall use equipment in any way other than what
is intended by the manufacturer (for example, banging bats and balls in a
dugout).
EFFECT—When brought to the attention of the umpire by the opposing
coach, the umpire shall issue a warning to the offending head
coach. Any subsequent violation shall result in the abused
equipment being removed from the game (not returned to the
dugout).

I'm not sure how someone could call himself a college umpire and not know a rule as simple as this.

Love internet umpires who aren't really umpires that read 40% of a rule and then rail on how the real umpires must not be real umpires for not knowing a simple rule...

Did you even read the RED section I bolded? Did you see an opposing coach bring it up? Of course not - it's accepted behavior. The umpires are NOT to initiate this conversation on their own... and no coach is ever going to bring this up.

You related to Big John on the football board? He does the same thing - the reading part of a rule thing and going crazy inappropriately...

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

I'm glad to see that ESPN shows so much footage of illegal conduct in the dugout, as the players drum away on buckets with balls. ESPN "announcers" love it and the umpires do nothing. No wonder I have to hear this every weekend and then hear, "We do it every game. Everyone does it on tv." Maybe we can get a tuba player in the dugout for the next game.

And if they were drumming on buckets with, say, their water bottles or their street shoes or even drumsticks that they snuck in their bat bags, what's the difference? Is there an NCAA rule that prohibits this?

What is the purpose of rule 13.4.2 anyway? Is it to limit the noise factor out of the dugout? Or is it to minimize the possibility of softball equipment getting damaged during the game? I have a hard time believing it's the former, because I've heard girls chant and yell and make all sorts of noise out of the dugouts, and, quite frankly, I've always thought that was the norm in softball.

Or are we to limit this kind of noise using 5.11 on "Artificial Noisemakers"? What defines an artificial noisemaker anyway?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Manny A

And if they were drumming on buckets with, say, their water bottles or their street shoes or even drumsticks that they snuck in their bat bags, what's the difference? Is there an NCAA rule that prohibits this?

What is the purpose of rule 13.4.2 anyway? Is it to limit the noise factor out of the dugout? Or is it to minimize the possibility of softball equipment getting damaged during the game? I have a hard time believing it's the former, because I've heard girls chant and yell and make all sorts of noise out of the dugouts, and, quite frankly, I've always thought that was the norm in softball.

Or are we to limit this kind of noise using 5.11 on "Artificial Noisemakers"? What defines an artificial noisemaker anyway?

If someone's blowing a referee whistle, or blasting a tuba during a windup, etc - someone's going to say something and then we're going to address it. Chanting, pounding, screaming ... all normal.

[ASA Ump MN]

It's kind of amazing how much fun those girls are having in the dugouts before during and after the games!